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Group: the-kraken Message: 1559 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1560 From: Eli Bishop Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: RWA finished? not likely
Group: the-kraken Message: 1561 From: Olaf Schneider Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
Group: the-kraken Message: 1562 From: Gillian Capper-Raphael Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1563 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
Group: the-kraken Message: 1564 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1565 From: Hoffenberg, L, Lara Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: £ $ conversions
Group: the-kraken Message: 1566 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1567 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1568 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
Group: the-kraken Message: 1569 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Fw: [the-kraken] SA4QE
Group: the-kraken Message: 1570 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1571 From: Dave Awl Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
Group: the-kraken Message: 1573 From: rmellow2002 Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: other voyce owl
Group: the-kraken Message: 1574 From: Dave Awl Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
Group: the-kraken Message: 1575 From: T.H_____@_____.uk Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
Group: the-kraken Message: 1576 From: Chris Bell Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
Group: the-kraken Message: 1577 From: Eli Bishop Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
Group: the-kraken Message: 1578 From: Eli Bishop Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: a minor point
Group: the-kraken Message: 1579 From: Dena Peoples Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Gender assignment
Group: the-kraken Message: 1580 From: Graeme Wend-Walker Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: Gender assignment
Group: the-kraken Message: 1582 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
Group: the-kraken Message: 1583 From: Diana Slickman Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: OT: More gender ID trouble
Group: the-kraken Message: 1584 From: abutton2002 Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Gender assignment
Group: the-kraken Message: 1585 From: tjcurtin1 Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
Group: the-kraken Message: 1586 From: Chris Bell Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: a minor point
Group: the-kraken Message: 1587 From: Dave Awl Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: a minor point
Group: the-kraken Message: 1588 From: sophia witch Date: 23/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 535
Group: the-kraken Message: 1589 From: Diana Slickman Date: 23/09/2002
Subject: What the Sea Means – shameless promotion from interested third party
Group: the-kraken Message: 1590 From: Alida Allison Date: 24/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
Group: the-kraken Message: 1591 From: Richard Cooper Date: 24/09/2002
Subject: SA4QE’s new domain
Group: the-kraken Message: 1592 From: Alida Allison Date: 25/09/2002
Subject: Re: New member
Group: the-kraken Message: 1593 From: Alida Allison Date: 25/09/2002
Subject: ooops
Group: the-kraken Message: 1594 From: Russell Hoban Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1595 From: John Smith Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1596 From: Russell Hoban Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1597 From: jules otis career Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1598 From: Lil Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1599 From: Dave Awl Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1600 From: Chris Bell Date: 27/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
Group: the-kraken Message: 1601 From: Olaf Schneider Date: 27/09/2002
Subject: DVD Payment Question
Group: the-kraken Message: 1602 From: Den Finch-Walton Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: RW
Group: the-kraken Message: 1603 From: sophia witch Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: RW thesis!!!
Group: the-kraken Message: 1604 From: Richard Cooper Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: Guardian journalist
Group: the-kraken Message: 1605 From: Alida Allison Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: Guardian journalist
Group: the-kraken Message: 1606 From: Robert Mathieson Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: (no subject)
Group: the-kraken Message: 1607 From: Dave Awl Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: To Robert
Group: the-kraken Message: 1608 From: Russell Hoban Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Guardian Profile
Group: the-kraken Message: 1609 From: Robert Mathieson Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Re: To Robert
Group: the-kraken Message: 1610 From: sophia witch Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Re: “Robert Mathieson”

 


Group: the-kraken Message: 1559 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Dear Krakes,With the Russell Hoban tapes playing on my TV (checking them
out–they’ll do fine), I’m catching up on sites–the magnificent SA4QE with
all the quotes, photos, and animation, as well as Dave’s fine updates and
Eli’s comprehensive RW site…a most enjoyable evening. I look forward to
getting the tapes/DVDs out to you.

be tramps,

alida

At 01:10 PM 8/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Dear all,
>
>I spent the weekend putting the finishing touches to the SA4QE site and it is
>currently living on my own Freeserve webspace at the following address:
>
>http://mysite.freeserve.com/sa4qe/main.htm
>
>It goes without saying that all those who contributed to the event are invited
>to have a look at the site and especially their own pages. I have
>proof-read the
>quotes and messages as best I can but if you do see any errors please do not
>hesitate to let me know.
>
>As I said the other week, any submissions of photos, explanations of
>choices and
>basic personal information are not only welcomed but encouraged! Photos don’t
>need to be only those of you with your yellow paper if you don’t have one –
>anything will do!
>
>I have to dash now, but I hope the site proves enjoyable, and again, if
>you want
>anything changed, added, taken away, divided or even multiplied, please
>post to
>the group or email me privately.
>
>Best wishes
>Richard Cooper
>Senior Bureaukraken for SA4QE Online Documentation
>yel_____@_____.com
>
>
>
>
>—————————————————
>The Kraken: The Russell Hoban Mailing List
>For help contact the_____@_____.com
>http://www.suba.com/~dayvoll/rh
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1560 From: Eli Bishop Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: RWA finished? not likely
 

Chris, thanks for the compliment. I wouldn’t call the site finished,
but at least I feel like there’s not a lot more content that I can add
or need to add. I still welcome new ideas, digressions, or nit-picks.Here’s one question of structure that I still have. The glossary
section sort of bothers me, because (a) I can never decide where to draw
the line between obvious things and things that ought to be explained;
(b) in many cases, I ended up translating phrases within the chapter
annotations instead of the glossary, because they only made sense in
context — but then if you ran across the same phrase later, you might
not know where to look; (c) the glossary included some plot recap stuff
that had a Cliffs Notes feeling, more so than the chapter annotations
which at least followed the structure of the book.

So I thought about moving all the glossary stuff into the chapter
annotations, defining each phrase the first time it appears… and then
changing the glossary page into a general alphabetical index of words
and names, pointing to the places they occur. (This indexing idea has
been stuck in my head since I saw a slightly extreme example for one of
my favorite books: http://brtom.org/tttc1.html – see “body parts,
elements”) That way, you could still pick up all the information by
reading through the annotations in order, but you could use the index
for random access as needed.

Anyone with opinions please unleash them.

best,
Eli


Eli Bishop, RN, Brooklyn, NY, USA .. / “But people have always eaten
Graphesthesia/Hob’s House of Comics: / people! What else is there
http://www.graphesthesia.com … / to eat?” – Flanders & Swann

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1561 From: Olaf Schneider Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
 

Dera Alida,
my adress is:Olaf Schneider
Jakobusstraße 2
33604 Bielefeld
GERMANY

Please send me the Hoban Tapes as DVD.
Is it right that I can send you a check in the €-Currency?
Best,
Olaf

>
> Amigos,
>
> Lots of info below–please read all the way through and RSVP.
>
> Please correct any mistakes about the format you want and provide
> the information I need if I don’t have it, as indicated below.
>
> Twenty-six people responded, but I’ve heard from some of you only once to
> indicate interest, so if I don’t hear a confirmation with address, format,
> and payment promise by Sept. 30, I’ll assume you’ve changed your mind. If
> you sent the info and I lost it, apologies–please send again.
>
> I won’t have all the copying done and the mail until mid-October.
>
> VHS for North Americans will be in the NTSC format. For others, VHS
> will be in PAL format. I am told by the dubbing store that the DVDs they
> make are in universal format, so should work on everyone’s DVD players or
> computers.
>
> ******Please understand I’m not getting into refunds! If the format doesn’t
> work, you’ll have to get it reformatted wherever you are, okay?
>
> PAYMENT INFO:
> Good news. All you’ll need to do is a cashier’s check in whatever
> currency you use wherever you are, send it to me, and my bank will exchange
> the monies into dollars. That makes it easy all around. If you’re in the
> States, a personal or a cashier’s check is fine.
>
> My address: Please start the money rolling in to:
> Alida Allison
> English Dept.
> SDSU
> San Diego, CA 92182-8140
> USA
>
>
> COST: For USA VHS, $24 for the 4-hour set, plus $6 for postage, packaging
> For Canada VHS, $24 plus $6.50
> For U.K. and Germany, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15 (PAL, i.e.
> conversion to a
> “foreign” format, costs a little extra).
> For South Africa, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15
> For Aust. & NZ, VHS PAL, $30 plus $16.50
>
> For DVDs, $45 for the 4 hour set; postage is a dollar less than
> for the VHS.
>
>
>
> I have addresses and format orders for the following in the States or Canada
> 1. Brian–DVD
> 2. Ted–VHS
> 3. Eli-VHS
> 4. Janis–DVD
> 5. Joe–VHS
>
>
> For the following, I need
> 1. Dave (need format info and address))
> 2. Lil–DVD (need address)
> 3. Jay–VHS (need address)
> 4. Drew–?
> 5. Carnivette–?
> 6. Jules–(need format)
>
>
>
> In other countries. I have the address and format orders for
> 1. Graeme–DVD
> 2. Dennis (need format info and last name)
> 3. Lara–VHS
> 4. Maggy (need format info)
> 5. Richard–VHS
> 6. Stuart–DVD (last name?)
>
>
> For the following, I need your address
> 1. Olaf–(need format info too)
> 2. Judy–VHS
> 3. Tim
> 4. Catherine
> 5. Gillian
>
>
> best,
>
> alida
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:29:07 -0400
> From: Eli Bishop <kib_____@_____.com>
> Subject: RWA update, and photos
>
> hello-
>
> I just finished what I hope is the last major update (i.e. staying up
> all night just to get through ONE MORE CHAPTER) to the Riddley Walker
> annotation site. The changes are noted on the front page and there are
> red stars by all the new material. As always I would greatly appreciate
> any input from anyone on this…
>
> http://www.graphesthesia.com/rw/
>
> Elsewhere I’ve put up photos from my recent too-quick travels… in case
> you would like to see a few pictures around Folkestone and Canterbury,
> and Punch and Judy…
>
> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/kentox02/
> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/cb02/
> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/pj02/
>
> best wishes,
> Eli
> —
> Eli Bishop, RN, Brooklyn, NY, USA .. / “But people have always eaten
> Graphesthesia/Hob’s House of Comics: / people! What else is there
> … http://www.graphesthesia.com … / to eat?” – Flanders & Swann
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

 

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1562 From: Gillian Capper-Raphael Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Dear Alida,My address is:
Riverdale
168 St Andrews Road
Bridport
Dorset
DT6 3BW

Thanks. I will post money soon. Any UK Krakenites worked out the £’s from
the dollars yet? Laziness and a block about such things has prevented me so
far…

Cath: did you say you were moving house some postings ago? You were in
Glastonbury weren’t you? Well, if you are any nearer to the above address,
would you still like to meet?

Thanks again Alida – and respecs to all Krakenites everywhere. When we’ve
all received the DVD’s/VHS’s we can discuss them……

Gillian Capper-Raphael

—– Original Message —–
From: “Alida Allison” <all_____@_____.edu>
To: <the_____@_____.com>
Sent: 17 September 2002 22:56
Subject: Re: [the-kraken] SA4QE is onlion

> Dear Krakes,
>
> With the Russell Hoban tapes playing on my TV (checking them
> out–they’ll do fine), I’m catching up on sites–the magnificent SA4QE
with
> all the quotes, photos, and animation, as well as Dave’s fine updates and
> Eli’s comprehensive RW site…a most enjoyable evening. I look forward to
> getting the tapes/DVDs out to you.
>
>
> be tramps,
>
> alida
>
>
>
>
>
> At 01:10 PM 8/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Dear all,
> >
> >I spent the weekend putting the finishing touches to the SA4QE site and
it is
> >currently living on my own Freeserve webspace at the following address:
> >
> >http://mysite.freeserve.com/sa4qe/main.htm
> >
> >It goes without saying that all those who contributed to the event are
invited
> >to have a look at the site and especially their own pages. I have
> >proof-read the
> >quotes and messages as best I can but if you do see any errors please do
not
> >hesitate to let me know.
> >
> >As I said the other week, any submissions of photos, explanations of
> >choices and
> >basic personal information are not only welcomed but encouraged! Photos
don’t
> >need to be only those of you with your yellow paper if you don’t have
one –
> >anything will do!
> >
> >I have to dash now, but I hope the site proves enjoyable, and again, if
> >you want
> >anything changed, added, taken away, divided or even multiplied, please
> >post to
> >the group or email me privately.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >Richard Cooper
> >Senior Bureaukraken for SA4QE Online Documentation
> >yel_____@_____.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >—————————————————
> >The Kraken: The Russell Hoban Mailing List
> >For help contact the_____@_____.com
> >http://www.suba.com/~dayvoll/rh
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> —————————————————
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> http://www.ocelotfactory.com/hoban
> For help contact the_____@_____.com
> To unsubscribe, send mail to:
> the_____@_____.com
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1563 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
 

Olaf Schneider writes:

> Dera Alida,
> my adress is:
>
> Olaf Schneider
> Jakobusstra�e 2
> 33604 Bielefeld
> GERMANY
>
> Please send me the Hoban Tapes as DVD.
> Is it right that I can send you a check in the €-Currency?
> Best,
> Olaf
>
>
>
> >
> > Amigos,
> >
> > Lots of info below–please read all the way through and RSVP.
> >
> > Please correct any mistakes about the format you want and provide
> > the information I need if I don’t have it, as indicated below.
> >
> > Twenty-six people responded, but I’ve heard from some of you only once to
> > indicate interest, so if I don’t hear a confirmation with address, format,
> > and payment promise by Sept. 30, I’ll assume you’ve changed your mind. If
> > you sent the info and I lost it, apologies–please send again.
> >
> > I won’t have all the copying done and the mail until mid-October.
> >
> > VHS for North Americans will be in the NTSC format. For others, VHS
> > will be in PAL format. I am told by the dubbing store that the DVDs they
> > make are in universal format, so should work on everyone’s DVD players or
> > computers.
> >
> > ******Please understand I’m not getting into refunds! If the format doesn’t
> > work, you’ll have to get it reformatted wherever you are, okay?
> >
> > PAYMENT INFO:
> > Good news. All you’ll need to do is a cashier’s check in whatever
> > currency you use wherever you are, send it to me, and my bank will exchange
> > the monies into dollars. That makes it easy all around. If you’re in the
> > States, a personal or a cashier’s check is fine.
> >
> > My address: Please start the money rolling in to:
> > Alida Allison
> > English Dept.
> > SDSU
> > San Diego, CA 92182-8140
> > USA
> >
> >
> > COST: For USA VHS, $24 for the 4-hour set, plus $6 for postage, packaging
> > For Canada VHS, $24 plus $6.50
> > For U.K. and Germany, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15 (PAL, i.e.
> > conversion to a
> > “foreign” format, costs a little extra).
> > For South Africa, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15
> > For Aust. & NZ, VHS PAL, $30 plus $16.50
> >
> > For DVDs, $45 for the 4 hour set; postage is a dollar less than
> > for the VHS.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have addresses and format orders for the following in the States or Canada
> > 1. Brian–DVD
> > 2. Ted–VHS
> > 3. Eli-VHS
> > 4. Janis–DVD
> > 5. Joe–VHS
> >
> >
> > For the following, I need
> > 1. Dave (need format info and address))
> > 2. Lil–DVD (need address)
> > 3. Jay–VHS (need address)
> > 4. Drew–?
> > 5. Carnivette–?
> > 6. Jules–(need format)
> >
> >
> >
> > In other countries. I have the address and format orders for
> > 1. Graeme–DVD
> > 2. Dennis (need format info and last name)
> > 3. Lara–VHS
> > 4. Maggy (need format info)
> > 5. Richard–VHS
> > 6. Stuart–DVD (last name?)
> >
> >
> > For the following, I need your address
> > 1. Olaf–(need format info too)
> > 2. Judy–VHS
> > 3. Tim
> > 4. Catherine
> > 5. Gillian
> >
> >
> > best,
> >
> > alida
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:29:07 -0400
> > From: Eli Bishop <kib_____@_____.com>
> > Subject: RWA update, and photos
> >
> > hello-
> >
> > I just finished what I hope is the last major update (i.e. staying up
> > all night just to get through ONE MORE CHAPTER) to the Riddley Walker
> > annotation site. The changes are noted on the front page and there are
> > red stars by all the new material. As always I would greatly appreciate
> > any input from anyone on this…
> >
> > http://www.graphesthesia.com/rw/
> >
> > Elsewhere I’ve put up photos from my recent too-quick travels… in case
> > you would like to see a few pictures around Folkestone and Canterbury,
> > and Punch and Judy…
> >
> > http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/kentox02/
> > http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/cb02/
> > http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/pj02/
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Eli
> > —
> > Eli Bishop, RN, Brooklyn, NY, USA .. / “But people have always eaten
> > Graphesthesia/Hob’s House of Comics: / people! What else is there
> > … http://www.graphesthesia.com … / to eat?” – Flanders & Swann
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ___________________________________
>
>
> ————————
> ——————————————————-
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Dear Alida,
Yes, I would like a PAL version, and my address is:
Judy Backhouse, 49 Dunstaffenage Street, Hurlstone Park, 2193, NSW,
Australia.
At present I am travelling and will only get back home in November – can I
send you the money then?
Love,
Judy

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1564 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Gillian says:
<<Any UK Krakenites worked out the £’s from the dollars yet?
Laziness and a block about such things has prevented me so
far…>>I echo the question! If anyone would be kind enough to do so,
I’ll post off my ££ to Alida instantly.

…and Gillian, you’ve asked >>if you are any nearer to the above
address, would you still like to meet?<<
I’m not sure if I’m nearer but I think I might well be – and yes,
how about a pint in Sherborne sometime? I’m now mobile (with
partner) and it would be great fun to meet up with another
Krakenite. (Any other thirsty Krakes out there, I mean, in the
UK, who’d also like to join us?)

Oiled bearings,
cat

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1565 From: Hoffenberg, L, Lara Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: £ $ conversions
 

Dear All
Try xe.com for currency conversions – a good site.
regards
Lara

> To: <the_____@_____.com>
> From: “Catherine Milne” <Wil_____@_____.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:14:30 +0100
> Subject: Re: [the-kraken] SA4QE is onlion
> Reply-to: the_____@_____.com

> Gillian says:
> <<Any UK Krakenites worked out the £’s from the dollars yet?
> Laziness and a block about such things has prevented me so
> far…>>
>
> I echo the question! If anyone would be kind enough to do so,
> I’ll post off my ££ to Alida instantly.
>

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1566 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Where is SHerborne? I am presently in Wadhurst, East Sussex. (That’s near
Tunbridge Wells) And I feel like a PINT! Thursday and Friday I’ll be in
London, then back in Wadhurst for the weekend.x Judy

Catherine Milne writes:

> Gillian says:
> <<Any UK Krakenites worked out the �’s from the dollars yet?
> Laziness and a block about such things has prevented me so
> far…>>
>
> I echo the question! If anyone would be kind enough to do so,
> I’ll post off my �� to Alida instantly.
>
> …and Gillian, you’ve asked >>if you are any nearer to the above
> address, would you still like to meet?<<
> I’m not sure if I’m nearer but I think I might well be – and yes,
> how about a pint in Sherborne sometime? I’m now mobile (with
> partner) and it would be great fun to meet up with another
> Krakenite. (Any other thirsty Krakes out there, I mean, in the
> UK, who’d also like to join us?)
>
> Oiled bearings,
> cat
>
>
>
>
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1567 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

hi Judy –
Sherborne is in Dorset.
(but i won’t be around this week, and am not yet sure about next
week, tho’ it looks possible.)
i’ll stand you a pint personally!cat

ps: sorry if this is off-topic…

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1568 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528
 

Olaf,Got the address. I’m sure a Euro check will work fine.

best,

alida

At 08:53 AM 9/18/02 +0200, you wrote:

>Dera Alida,
>my adress is:
>
>Olaf Schneider
>Jakobusstraße 2
>33604 Bielefeld
>GERMANY
>
>Please send me the Hoban Tapes as DVD.
>Is it right that I can send you a check in the €-Currency?
>Best,
>Olaf
>
>
>
>>
>> Amigos,
>>
>> Lots of info below–please read all the way through and RSVP.
>>
>> Please correct any mistakes about the format you want and provide
>> the information I need if I don’t have it, as indicated below.
>>
>> Twenty-six people responded, but I’ve heard from some of you only once to
>> indicate interest, so if I don’t hear a confirmation with address, format,
>> and payment promise by Sept. 30, I’ll assume you’ve changed your mind. If
>> you sent the info and I lost it, apologies–please send again.
>>
>> I won’t have all the copying done and the mail until mid-October.
>>
>> VHS for North Americans will be in the NTSC format. For others, VHS
>> will be in PAL format. I am told by the dubbing store that the DVDs they
>> make are in universal format, so should work on everyone’s DVD players or
>> computers.
>>
>> ******Please understand I’m not getting into refunds! If the format doesn’t
>> work, you’ll have to get it reformatted wherever you are, okay?
>>
>> PAYMENT INFO:
>> Good news. All you’ll need to do is a cashier’s check in whatever
>> currency you use wherever you are, send it to me, and my bank will exchange
>> the monies into dollars. That makes it easy all around. If you’re in the
>> States, a personal or a cashier’s check is fine.
>>
>> My address: Please start the money rolling in to:
>> Alida Allison
>> English Dept.
>> SDSU
>> San Diego, CA 92182-8140
>> USA
>>
>>
>> COST: For USA VHS, $24 for the 4-hour set, plus $6 for postage, packaging
>> For Canada VHS, $24 plus $6.50
>> For U.K. and Germany, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15 (PAL, i.e.
>> conversion to a
>> “foreign” format, costs a little extra).
>> For South Africa, VHS PAL, $30 plus $15
>> For Aust. & NZ, VHS PAL, $30 plus $16.50
>>
>> For DVDs, $45 for the 4 hour set; postage is a dollar less than
>> for the VHS.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have addresses and format orders for the following in the States or Canada
>> 1. Brian–DVD
>> 2. Ted–VHS
>> 3. Eli-VHS
>> 4. Janis–DVD
>> 5. Joe–VHS
>>
>>
>> For the following, I need
>> 1. Dave (need format info and address))
>> 2. Lil–DVD (need address)
>> 3. Jay–VHS (need address)
>> 4. Drew–?
>> 5. Carnivette–?
>> 6. Jules–(need format)
>>
>>
>>
>> In other countries. I have the address and format orders for
>> 1. Graeme–DVD
>> 2. Dennis (need format info and last name)
>> 3. Lara–VHS
>> 4. Maggy (need format info)
>> 5. Richard–VHS
>> 6. Stuart–DVD (last name?)
>>
>>
>> For the following, I need your address
>> 1. Olaf–(need format info too)
>> 2. Judy–VHS
>> 3. Tim
>> 4. Catherine
>> 5. Gillian
>>
>>
>> best,
>>
>> alida
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:29:07 -0400
>> From: Eli Bishop <kib_____@_____.com>
>> Subject: RWA update, and photos
>>
>> hello-
>>
>> I just finished what I hope is the last major update (i.e. staying up
>> all night just to get through ONE MORE CHAPTER) to the Riddley Walker
>> annotation site. The changes are noted on the front page and there are
>> red stars by all the new material. As always I would greatly appreciate
>> any input from anyone on this…
>>
>> http://www.graphesthesia.com/rw/
>>
>> Elsewhere I’ve put up photos from my recent too-quick travels… in case
>> you would like to see a few pictures around Folkestone and Canterbury,
>> and Punch and Judy…
>>
>> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/kentox02/
>> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/cb02/
>> http://www.graphesthesia.com/eb/photo/pj02/
>>
>> best wishes,
>> Eli
>> —
>> Eli Bishop, RN, Brooklyn, NY, USA .. / “But people have always eaten
>> Graphesthesia/Hob’s House of Comics: / people! What else is there
>> … http://www.graphesthesia.com … / to eat?” – Flanders & Swann
>>
>>
>>
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Alida Allison
Professor
Director, Children’s Literature Circle
Dept. of English and Comparative Literature
San Diego State University
5500 Campanile Dr.
San Diego, CA 92182-8140
(619) 594-6385, office phone
(619) 594-5443, department phone
(619) 594-4998, FAX

CHECK OUT THE CHILDREN’S LITERATURE PROGRAM WEB SITE AND BOOK REVIEW SERVICE:
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/dept/english/childlit

FOR INFORMATION ABOUT CURRENT CHILDREN’S LITERATURE COURSES:
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/dept/english/childit

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1569 From: Catherine Milne Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: Fw: [the-kraken] SA4QE
 

>>Okay…at the risk of sounding like a Green goody-two-shoes, I

have to say it: please, please don’t drop any sheets of yellow
paper in the ocean, bottled or otherwise…
Dave<<

OK – no i won’t then!

and i do agree. quite enough junk in the ocean already. maybe
i’ll find a nice port bar to leave the YP in instead! at any
rate, it may have to wait awhile: we’re not sailing anywhere at
the moment…

what’s that song about oranges? in Lion? all my books are
packed in boxes. my exo-brain is off-line…

depletedly,
cat
www.imagemaker.eu.com

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1570 From: Alida Allison Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Richard figured the exchange rate between dollars and pounds brings the
total to 29 pounds, 37 pence (cents?)best–

alida

At 11:10 AM 9/18/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Dear Alida,
>
>My address is:
>Riverdale
>168 St Andrews Road
>Bridport
>Dorset
>DT6 3BW
>
>Thanks. I will post money soon. Any UK Krakenites worked out the £’s from
>the dollars yet? Laziness and a block about such things has prevented me so
>far…
>
>Cath: did you say you were moving house some postings ago? You were in
>Glastonbury weren’t you? Well, if you are any nearer to the above address,
>would you still like to meet?
>
>Thanks again Alida – and respecs to all Krakenites everywhere. When we’ve
>all received the DVD’s/VHS’s we can discuss them……
>
>Gillian Capper-Raphael
>—– Original Message —–
>From: “Alida Allison” <all_____@_____.edu>
>To: <the_____@_____.com>
>Sent: 17 September 2002 22:56
>Subject: Re: [the-kraken] SA4QE is onlion
>
>
> > Dear Krakes,
> >
> > With the Russell Hoban tapes playing on my TV (checking them
> > out–they’ll do fine), I’m catching up on sites–the magnificent SA4QE
>with
> > all the quotes, photos, and animation, as well as Dave’s fine updates and
> > Eli’s comprehensive RW site…a most enjoyable evening. I look forward to
> > getting the tapes/DVDs out to you.
> >
> >
> > be tramps,
> >
> > alida
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:10 PM 8/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Dear all,
> > >
> > >I spent the weekend putting the finishing touches to the SA4QE site and
>it is
> > >currently living on my own Freeserve webspace at the following address:
> > >
> > >http://mysite.freeserve.com/sa4qe/main.htm
> > >
> > >It goes without saying that all those who contributed to the event are
>invited
> > >to have a look at the site and especially their own pages. I have
> > >proof-read the
> > >quotes and messages as best I can but if you do see any errors please do
>not
> > >hesitate to let me know.
> > >
> > >As I said the other week, any submissions of photos, explanations of
> > >choices and
> > >basic personal information are not only welcomed but encouraged! Photos
>don’t
> > >need to be only those of you with your yellow paper if you don’t have
>one –
> > >anything will do!
> > >
> > >I have to dash now, but I hope the site proves enjoyable, and again, if
> > >you want
> > >anything changed, added, taken away, divided or even multiplied, please
> > >post to
> > >the group or email me privately.
> > >
> > >Best wishes
> > >Richard Cooper
> > >Senior Bureaukraken for SA4QE Online Documentation
> > >yel_____@_____.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1571 From: Dave Awl Date: 18/09/2002
Subject: Re: SA4QE is onlion
 

Cat wrote:

>ps: sorry if this is off-topic…

 

Not at all. If Krakenites want to organize get-togethers, that’s 100%
on-topic in my book. After all, what are they but miniature Russell
Hoban conventions? So if it’s easier to do it over the list, hey,
that’s part of what the list is here for. And it may inspire others
to do likewise in their own corners of the globe.

Azog has spoken!

Dave

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Available Sept. 21 from Hope and Nonthings press…
What the Sea Means: Poems, Stories & Monologues 1987-2002
by Dave Awl
—> Info: http://www.ocelotfactory.com/seameans

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1573 From: rmellow2002 Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: other voyce owl
 

Hello, I’ve just joined this group today. My name is Rob and I’m a
(nearly) 40 year old RH fan and have been for about 20 years. I’ve
read Riddley umpteen times but i cannot make head or tail of what
the other voyce owl of the worl is possibly derived from. i think
I’ve worked out all the other obscurities and would be pleased to
share ideas. Can anyone enlighten. Also, may I lay claim to being
the only orthodox Jewish Rabbi that lists Rh among his favourite
reads? As such, I am interested in knowing more about Mr Hoban’s
Jewish roots and his thoughts, if known, on his religion/nation of
birth. Any info would be much appreciated.

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1574 From: Dave Awl Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
 

Rob wrote:

>Hello, I’ve just joined this group today. My name is Rob and I’m a
>(nearly) 40 year old RH fan and have been for about 20 years.

 

Hi Rob,

Welcome to The Kraken! I love the idea of having an actual Rabbi
among us. As far as Mr. Hoban’s writing about his Jewish heritage,
can we assume you’ve read Pilgermann? I think that serves as his most
extensive literary approach to the subject. I’d also recommend his
essay “Masada One Morning.” It’s included in The Moment Under the
Moment, which is out of print but copies can usually be found on used
book sites like http://www.abebooks.com .

best,
Dave Awl (moderator)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Available Sept. 21 from Hope and Nonthings press…
What the Sea Means: Poems, Stories & Monologues 1987-2002
by Dave Awl
—> Info: http://www.ocelotfactory.com/seameans

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1575 From: T.H_____@_____.uk Date: 20/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
 

“Also, may I lay claim to being
the only orthodox Jewish Rabbi that lists Rh among his favourite
reads? As such, I am interested in knowing more about Mr Hoban’s
Jewish roots and his thoughts, if known, on his religion/nation of
birth. Any info would be much appreciated.”Rob,
This is a short extract by Russ from “Wilde pomegranates : the ghost of a room
and the soul of a story” published in “Children’s Literature in Education,
V.28 No.1 1997.

“They [his parents] both came from the town of Ostrog in the Ukraine, where he
was born Abram Hochban. I know almost nothing of his youth except that his
family had very little money and he left home at sixteen to tour with
theatrical companies in Russia and Poland. he arrived in America in 1913, his
passage partly paid by his mother, who had gone there ahead of him to join her
two sisters working in a blouse factory in Philadelphia.

Abram Hochban started his new life as a newsboy, worked hard, attended evening
lectures by my namesake, Dr Russell Conwell, at Temple University, and moved
up the ladder to become Advertising Manager of the Jewish Daily Forward.
Somewhere along the way the name became Hoban and the house in Lansdale was
acquired, along with an Indian motorcycle on which he roared to and from
Philadelphia.”

Tim

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1576 From: Chris Bell Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
 

Hello, Rob.Welcome to the Kraken! You should definitely check out the excellent
resource http://www.graphesthesia.com/rw/ and get in touch with the
wonderfully diligent Eli Bishop regarding your thoughts and theories
about the obscurities in Riddley Walker. I’m sure she’d be pleased to
hear from you.

I’ve read ‘Riddley’ literally countless times. When I re-read it in
August – I’ve also been a Hoban fan for about 20 years – I, too,
agonised about the significance and origins of other voyce owl of the
worl. Of course, owls feature elsewhere in Russ’s work – notably in
the extraordinary ‘Pilgermann’, which Dave has mentioned – but also
in ‘Fremder’ and in the short stories and children’s books.

I wondered whether perhaps, in Riddley’s world, this is an equivalent
of a fairy tale, one that has developed from fragments of myths,
fears, dreams and memories…

I’m afraid I can offer no more concrete reference points, but again –
welcome to our group. Your credentials add an air of professional
credibility to the Kraken – although, I hasten to add, we already
have many illustrious members including The Mighty Azog, a.k.a., Dave
Awl.

I’ll stop saying things to you now.

Well being,
Chris

 

— In the_____@_____., “rmellow2002” &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
> Hello, I’ve just joined this group today. My name is Rob and I’m a
> (nearly) 40 year old RH fan and have been for about 20 years. I’ve
> read Riddley umpteen times but i cannot make head or tail of what
> the other voyce owl of the worl is possibly derived from. i think
> I’ve worked out all the other obscurities and would be pleased to
> share ideas. Can anyone enlighten. Also, may I lay claim to being
> the only orthodox Jewish Rabbi that lists Rh among his favourite
> reads? As such, I am interested in knowing more about Mr Hoban’s
> Jewish roots and his thoughts, if known, on his religion/nation of
> birth. Any info would be much appreciated.

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1577 From: Eli Bishop Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: other voyce owl
 

rmellow2002 wrote:

> Hello, I’ve just joined this group today. My name is Rob and I’m a
> (nearly) 40 year old RH fan and have been for about 20 years.
> I’ve read Riddley umpteen times but i cannot make head or tail of what
> the other voyce owl of the worl is possibly derived from.

 

Hi, glad to have you here!

As Chris mentioned I’ve been piecing together interpretations on that RW
web site (which I’d love any suggestions for), and what little I have on
the owl is here: http://www.graphesthesia.com/rw/ch11.html … I’m
fairly sure the American Indian and Norse parallels are deliberate
(though I couldn’t pin down a specific source for the former; everyone
attributes it to a different tribe. Here’s one version, which I forgot
to link to on the site:
http://www.menominee.edu/culturemain/originday.html). The image recurs
in Chapter 16 when Lissener has gained the upper hand and shows his dark
side — Riddley thinks he looks like an owl then.

As for its function within the book, there seems to be a continuum of
stories as you proceed through RW: first there are two that are clearly
commonly shared myths describing how the world got this way, then
there’s Lissener’s story that takes place at no particular time but has
himself in a starring role, then the Aunty/Arga Warga story that’s on a
smaller human scale and was made up on the spot, then Riddley starts
just writing down whatever comes to him in “Stoan.”

Also, Hoban just likes owls — they show up as spirit harbingers in
Pilgermann and I think one other book, plus there’s a more cheerful (but
still carnivorous) owl in his children’s book “The Marzipan Pig.”

best,
Eli


Eli Bishop, RN, Brooklyn, NY, USA .. / “But people have always eaten
Graphesthesia/Hob’s House of Comics: / people! What else is there
http://www.graphesthesia.com … / to eat?” – Flanders & Swann

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1578 From: Eli Bishop Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: a minor point
 

Chris Bell wrote:

> get in touch with the wonderfully diligent Eli Bishop regarding your
> thoughts and theories about the obscurities in Riddley Walker. I’m
> sure she’d be pleased to hear from you.

 

Whoever “she” is, I’m sure she would, and so would I…

(Not your fault, people just like to reassign my gender — even growing
a beard didn’t help!)

best,
Eli “The Man” Bishop

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1579 From: Dena Peoples Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Gender assignment
 

Hello Eli,
I realize that your name may not confer gender. My
name is Dena. I’m a female. Sometimes my name is
misspelled Dean and I’m addressed as a man. It really
gets confusing when I show up at an appointment or
gathering and people are expecting a distinguished
gentleman WITH a beard. Who arrives is a petite woman
with waist length blonde hair.I suppose the Eli is pronounced E-lie, not Ellie? Am
I correct? If not please correct me. Dena is
pronounced Dee’ nah. Not Denn’a ,Day’na or De anna.

I once thought of changing my name to Mary, but then
somebody would probably screw that up too. So I just
stuck with Dena.

So, so long wonderfully diligent Eli. By the way is
Chris Bell, a Christine or Christopher????

Nice to chat with all of you. Girl Dena.

— Eli Bishop <kib_____@_____.com> wrote:

>
> Chris Bell wrote:
> > get in touch with the wonderfully diligent Eli
> Bishop regarding your
> > thoughts and theories about the obscurities in
> Riddley Walker. I’m
> > sure she’d be pleased to hear from you.
>
> Whoever “she” is, I’m sure she would, and so would
> I…
>
> (Not your fault, people just like to reassign my
> gender — even growing
> a beard didn’t help!)
>
> best,
> Eli “The Man” Bishop
>
>

 

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1580 From: Graeme Wend-Walker Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: Gender assignment
 

—–Original Message—–
From: Dena Peoples [mailto:drp_____@_____.com]
Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2002 11:36 AM
To: the_____@_____.com
Subject: [the-kraken] Re:Gender assignment
[…]I once thought of changing my name to Mary, but then
somebody would probably screw that up too. So I just
stuck with Dena.

[…]

Oh, I can’t see how anyone could screw up MarK.

Graeme (see what you can do with that!) Wend-Walker

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1582 From: jud_____@_____.au Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
 

SORRY EVERYONE FOR PRESSING WRONG BUTTON AND SENDING MY DREADFUL EMAIL TO
YOU ALL!!!!!!!! Aaaaargh!!!J

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1583 From: Diana Slickman Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: OT: More gender ID trouble
 

It is interesting that the day I read the mail from Eli and Dena about the confusion of gender expectations associated with their names, that I should receive in the regular postal mail a letter from a music school here in town addressed to Gary Slickman. My name has been misspelled in a variety of ways, from Donna Glickman to Dianne Stackman, but never before has been so creative or misguided as to turn “Diana” into “Gary”!Back in my youth, my thinner, shorter-haired youth, I was frequently addressed as “sir” or “young man”. Once walking hand in hand with my boyfriend in a department store, a clerk asked, “Can I help you gentlemen?” Which, under the circumstances, was a surprisingly liberal greeting in a Midwestern town in the early ’80s. We were both rather pleased to be mistaken for a gay couple, though the clerk was a little flustered when I piped up in my unmistakably girly voice, “No, we’re just looking, thanks!”

Blaming it on the moon,
Diana “Gary” Slickman

– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Chrysanthemum growers –
you are the slaves
of chrysanthemums!
— Yosa Buson

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1584 From: abutton2002 Date: 21/09/2002
Subject: Gender assignment
 

Speaking of…
I guess it’s a bit of a stretch to stay on topic with Hedwig and the
Angry (Mis)Connexion Scar…~Drew

— In the_____@_____., “Graeme Wend-Walker” &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Dena Peoples [mailto:drp_____@_____.]
> Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2002 11:36 AM
> To: the-kraken@y…
> Subject: [the-kraken] Re:Gender assignment
> […]
>
> I once thought of changing my name to Mary, but then
> somebody would probably screw that up too. So I just
> stuck with Dena.
>
> […]
>
>
> Oh, I can’t see how anyone could screw up MarK.
>
> Graeme (see what you can do with that!) Wend-Walker

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1585 From: tjcurtin1 Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
 

— In the_____@_____., judybee@t… wrote:

>
> SORRY EVERYONE FOR PRESSING WRONG BUTTON AND SENDING MY DREADFUL

EMAIL TO

> YOU ALL!!!!!!!! Aaaaargh!!!
>
> J

 

Dear Judy,

Not to worry – I was thinking how nice it was that the group had such
a sense of friendly familiarity that you were including us in the
results of a meeting of Krakenites. I found your note charming and
interesting, and only rather wished I had been there myself!

Ted Curtin

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1586 From: Chris Bell Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: a minor point
 

My sincerest apologies, Eli!As my old boss was wont to say, “Assumption is the mother of all f**k-
ups.” Strangely, I thought we’d been through this discussion once
before, only the other way around (when someone made the ‘assumption’
you were an ‘Ely’ and not ‘Elle’). So, for me, this is deja-vu all
over again …

Well, it’s still reggae but it’s all backwards, to quote Mr Zappa –
another master of The Body of Work and gender-related misconceptions.

And yes, I’m Christopher rather than Christine. Although certain
close friends have been known to refer to me as

Christobel

PS: Nice beard. 🙂

— In the_____@_____., Eli Bishop &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
>
> Chris Bell wrote:
> > get in touch with the wonderfully diligent Eli Bishop regarding
your
> > thoughts and theories about the obscurities in Riddley Walker. I’m
> > sure she’d be pleased to hear from you.
>
> Whoever “she” is, I’m sure she would, and so would I…
>
> (Not your fault, people just like to reassign my gender — even
growing
> a beard didn’t help!)
>
> best,
> Eli “The Man” Bishop

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1587 From: Dave Awl Date: 22/09/2002
Subject: Re: a minor point
 

I will add one more punchline to this discussion of gender by noting
that, as a gay man, I fully expect that my friends will occasionally
refer to me as “she”…it’s in the charter.And it’s better than being referred to as “Jim Awl,” which is just so
drab. ; )

On a related note, Judy, I, too am glad that you “accidentally”
posted your account of Kraken get-together, giving me that wonderful
image of dancing Indian drag queens as I headed off to my book
release party yesterday.

Which leads me to another related note: my book What the Sea Means is
now officially “released,” because we had a party, which proves it.
However, it has not yet made its way into the Amazon.com system. As
soon as it does, I’ll post the link for all interested parties. In
the meantime, I will be sending copies to Richard Cooper and Chris
Bell as shamefully overdue Hoban birthday bottle barter.

Richard & Chris, if you get a moment, could you confirm your mailing
addresses to me?

The Mighty She-Zog,
Queen of The Kraken

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by Dave Awl
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1588 From: sophia witch Date: 23/09/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 535
 

what a wonderful collection of Krakenmail recently. So
many topics ….1) The Owl is an age-old symbol seemingly derived, in
European myth, from the Etruscans. The Grey Hooded Owl
is always in the background of Etruscan art, as a kind
of ‘seeing eye’ from the Realms of the spirit. this
has carried over to traditional Italian witchcraft,
Stregha, where the Grey Owl is the symbol of La
Streghoneria

take a look at :
http://www.fabrisia.com/
http://strega.us/home.htm

2) I LOVED Judy’s mistaken AAARGH… as Tim (or Tom?)
said, it just made one wish to have been there…. and
thanks to the mail, we were, in a way….

3) Gender Benders
My father, a Frenchman, was so disappointed at not
having engendered a son, that I think this was one of
the reasons he disappeared from us… I used to have
difficult thoughts about that in my teens *s*

Arga Warga with Aunty is a fascinating
concept….*grin*

All Bes

Sophia

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1589 From: Diana Slickman Date: 23/09/2002
Subject: What the Sea Means – shameless promotion from interested third party
 

As Dave “Miss Jim” Awl’s publisher (or part of his publisher, anyway) I must say to those of you who are anxious for a copy of his (impartial praise, I promise you) wonderful book, What the Sea Means, that you may order one directly (yes, directly) from Hope & Nonthings Publishing (address below). It will appear on Amazon by the end of the month, but of course, everyone wins when you cut out the middle man (or in this case, the middle-corporation). It really is a splendid book and just the sort of thing that the Kraken crowd (why, that’s you!) would appreciate. Through the miracle of technology, you can actually see the book cover and read more about What the Sea Means at http://www.ocelotfactory.com/seameans, which She-Zog coyly lists at the bottom of her signature block and which I am now shoving into the actual body of a message (gently shoving, so that no one is hurt).Hope & Nonthings Publishing
P.O. Box 148010
Chicago, IL 60614-8010
www.hopeandnonthings.com
more info about ordering a copy: sli_____@_____.com

Parenthetically,
Diana (Gary) Slickman

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1590 From: Alida Allison Date: 24/09/2002
Subject: Re: Krakenites getting together for pints
 

J,Wasn’t at all an awful email. Glad some Krakes are able to meet–and, man,
that sounds like some night club!

alida

 

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1591 From: Richard Cooper Date: 24/09/2002
Subject: SA4QE’s new domain
 

Hello everybody,Please change your bookmarks! The SA4QE site is now up and running on my new
domain and can be accessed at www.thoughtcat.com/sa4qe

If anyone experiences any problems accessing the new address or pages on it,
please let me know. I will be keeping the original Freeserve site going as well
for a couple of weeks in case of any teething problems on the new one but all
being well this will be phased out soon in favour of the new address.

I have been following the gender thread with fascination but must admit I can’t
work out where or how it all started! (The thread that is, not gender as such,
although that’s frequently just as bewildering.) I especially enjoyed Gary
Slickman’s anecdote. The only thing I have to contribute to this is a memory of
going into an antique shop with my mum when I was about 10, and expressing an
interest in a patterned fan lying on a table. The proprietor of the shop said to
my mum, “How old is she?”

Judy and I did indeed have a fabulous evening last Friday at a concert by the
Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain, a brilliant seven-piece comedy band who did
a great range of numbers including Satellite of Love, Life on Mars and the Dick
Barton radio show theme. It was actually a very Hobanesque evening, in a tiny
hall with an even tinier audience, and musically somewhere between Dennis
Potter, Tom Waits and Woody Allen. It was also great to meet Judy (only the
second Krakenite I’ve met in real life!). I was sorry not to be able to go along
to the lesbian & gay bhangra club but I was starving having eaten only Judy’s
organic raisins all evening and in any case had to get home to slip into my
other life as a married man.

Slipping away now to be a press-summariser,

Richard

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1592 From: Alida Allison Date: 25/09/2002
Subject: Re: New member
 

Dear Tim,Apologies if you did send–but I don’t have your address for the
tapes, if you still want them. VHS or DVD?

A guy from the Guardian is calling me Thurs. for some quotes for use
in a long article he’s writing on Russ. With that, and The Bat Tattoo,
maybe I can (finally) find a publisher for a book of essays on him….

best, alida

At 11:41 AM 8/27/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Dear Alida,
>If you can find the time! I would love a copy of the lectures although I
>don’t have a DVD player…
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1593 From: Alida Allison Date: 25/09/2002
Subject: ooops
 

Sorry–meant to send my message to Tim off-list.alida

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1594 From: Russell Hoban Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Richard Van Pham
 

Hi. Probably all of you have read about the lone 62-year old sailor
who lived on his 26 foot sailboat at Long Beach, California. The
boat was his only home. He set out for a day cruise to Catalina
Island, 25 miles away. Ran into heavy weather. Boat was dismasted,
outboard motor kaput, radio out. Drifted for more than 3 months,
surviving on fish, seagulls, and turtles. Lost 40 pounds. Rescued
by the US Navy frigate McClusky 275 miles off coast of Costa
Rica. Boat too damaged to repair so they sank it. Now he’s got no
home, no nothing. CNN says he’s in the care of a Los Angeles
charitable institution. Does anybody know which one?
Russ Hoban

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1595 From: John Smith Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
 

The latest from the LA Times:Tide Turns for Rescued Sailor as Offers of Boats and Aid Pour
In[NL][PARA][PARA]Offers of free boats and financial help poured in
Wednesday for a Vietnamese-born sailor who says he spent nearly four months
drifting at sea after a Santa Catalina Island voyage went horribly
awry.[NL][NL]Richard Van Pham’s saga may never be fully confirmed–he lived
and sailed alone, and many details of his life remain uncertain. But his
unlikely tale of survival–he says he subsisted on tuna, sea turtles and
rainwater as he drifted aimlessly with a broken mast, motor and
radio–captivated and amazed recreational sailors and others across the
Southland. Several said they’d like to give Pham another boat.[PARA]
“He has an inner strength that is not based on education or money, but on
personal strength,” said Erwin Freund, a 49-year-old Amgen scientist who
hopes to donate a 25-foot Coronado Sloop to Pham, who lost nearly all his
possessions when he abandoned his disabled 26-foot home, the Sea Breeze,
about 300 miles off Costa Rica.[NL][NL]Freund said he has sailed for two
years and is “super-cautious, overcautious” about safety, never leaving his
slip without his Global Positioning System and radar equipment. But, faced
with the conditions that sidetracked Pham, he would have
faltered.[NL][NL]”His boat was not properly equipped. He did not have the
proper gear. But he maintained a positive attitude where I would have
panicked,” said Freund. “He’s someone who is really a role
model.”[NL][NL]The diminutive Pham recounted his harrowing tale from a hotel
room Tuesday, proudly sporting a crisp baseball cap from the Navy frigate
McClusky, which rescued him off the Central American coast last
week.[NL][NL]An Elusive History[NL][NL]That story, like the 62-year-old
Pham, proved elusive Wednesday. Although he says he lived for several years
on his boat in Long Beach’s downtown marina, city records show he paid to
stay there for only four days in May. Addresses on identification cards that
Pham carried show that he had bounced around downtown Los Angeles and
MacArthur Park since 1998, living the life of a drifter.[NL][NL]When he left
for what he says he intended as a three-day jaunt to Catalina, Pham filed no
float plan, so no one knew where he was going. When he disappeared for
nearly four months, no one reported him missing. Wednesday, as offers of
help poured in, Pham was swept into a broadcast news vehicle after meeting
with a Travelers Aid social worker at Los Angeles International
Airport.[NL][NL]Pham had arrived at LAX at 9 p.m. Monday on a flight from
Mexico City. Sailors aboard the McClusky had taken up a collection to
provide him enough money for a ticket back to Los Angeles after they rescued
him. After he arrived, he was kept overnight in the custody of the
Immigration and Naturalization Service in downtown Los Angeles, said
Francisco Arcaute, a spokesman for the INS.[NL][NL]A man found alone in a
boat in a highly trafficked drug corridor raises obvious suspicions, and
officials were eager to ensure that Pham’s record was clean.[NL][NL]”We had
multiple questions on this individual, given the circumstances of his rescue
and whatnot,” the spokesman said.[NL][NL]On Tuesday, INS officers ran his
name through law enforcement databases, but no pending charges or
immigration irregularities were found, the spokesman said. Pham was finally
allowed to leave sometime Tuesday afternoon and was taken to Travelers Aid,
the spokesman added.[NL][NL]A Navy spokesman said the McClusky sailors were
on a counter-narcotics mission and would have spotted anything untoward.
Still, Pham’s story is spectacular, and his solitary nature ensures that
many parts of it cannot be entirely corroborated.[NL][NL]According to that
account, after arriving from Vietnam in 1976, Pham built a life as a
successful entrepreneur. He opened three furniture stores, in North
Hollywood, Culver City and Los Angeles, and an auto repair business. But
about a decade ago, he said, an auto accident left him in a coma for six
months. When he regained consciousness, he had lost much of his memory and
was forced to relearn even the most basic tasks.[NL][NL]”My memories before
the accident, they are gray, with no pictures,” Pham explained.[NL][NL]Pham
said the accident also drained his savings. He slowly built a new life,
living on disability checks and “traveling a lot.”[NL][NL]”I had a
girlfriend for a while, but she didn’t like that I traveled so much,” he
said.[NL][NL]His dream was the ocean: “I love nature. I love the ocean. I
wanted to sail it every day.”[NL][NL]For the past few years, he said, he
took mostly short trips, to Catalina and the Channel Islands. But he also
took one six-month round-trip voyage to the coast of Chile. And he had
carefully calculated that it would take six months to cross the ocean to his
native Vietnam.[NL][NL]It was on yet another of his trips to Catalina, he
said, that his misadventure began: a hook that secured his mast to the boat
snapped and his radio failed. From that point, Pham drifted for 2,500 miles,
never catching a glimpse of land or a single boat or plane, he said. He had
a two-month supply of water, rice and canned beans and tomatoes. But when
they ran out, he was forced to collect rainwater and eat from the
sea.[NL][NL]He caught plenty of tuna, hooking them easily without bait. He
cooked one seagull, but although he thought it looked like a chicken, “it
tasted worse.”[NL][NL]Turtles Top Menu[NL][NL]Best of all, he said, were the
sea turtles, docile giants that swam right next to his silent boat. He was
able to tie a rope around their front legs, then winch the creatures–which
weigh several hundred pounds–onto the deck.[NL][NL]The turtles swam by only
on occasion, Pham recounted, so he would trap them and save them alive until
he needed them. When they moaned from the heat, he sprayed them down with
water to cool them. He cooked the meat on a makeshift grill fed by wood
paneling he tore from the boat.[NL][NL]Pham was finally spotted by a U.S.
Customs drug-hunting plane, which directed the McClusky, a 453-foot
guided-missile frigate, to the dilapidated sailboat.[NL][NL]When they found
him, he asked only for help repairing his boat and some vitamin B
supplements. When sailors were forced to sink his vessel as unsound, he
fetched few belongings, his green card among them, the ship’s captain
recounted.[NL][NL]It was those details that touched strangers
Wednesday.[NL][NL]Dan Emberson, a Los Angeles actor and “adventure guy,”
said he read Pham’s story and cried.[NL][NL]”You hear survival stories all
the time. But people on Mt. Everest have money, resources and family. This
guy had nothing,” said Emberson, who was trying to pool donations from
fellow actors at the Playhouse West Repertory Theater. “If there’s anybody
worthy of my time, it’s someone like this.”[NL][NL]’Like Robinson
Crusoe'[NL][NL]”I’ve never heard of a story like this before. It’s a lot
like Robinson Crusoe, but with a Vietnamese person,” said Hiep Cao Nguyen,
35, of Garden Grove.[NL][NL]What awaits Pham is unclear. Tuesday night, he
said he might settle into an apartment for a short while to regain his
bearings. Then, he added, he will probably drift some more.[NL][NL]If Freund
catches up with him, Pham might do his future drifting aboard a 1968 sloop
that seems to be more seaworthy than Pham’s boat ever was. It has five
sails, a radio, flare kit, first aid kit, man overboard pole and float, and
quite a few spare ropes, Freund said.[NL][NL]”It’s pretty neat,” Freund
said. “I’d like him to have it.”[NL][NL]*[NL][NL]Times staff writers John L.
Mitchell, Vivian LeTran and Patrick McDonnell contributed to this report.
[PARA][NL]If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
latimes.com/archives.[NL]Click here for article licensing and reprint
options[NL]

[PARA] [PARA][NL][NL]Copyright 2002 Los Angeles Times[NL]By
visiting this site, you are agreeing to our Terms of Service.[NL]Privacy
Policy

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1596 From: Russell Hoban Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Richard Van Pham
 

To John Smith–That’s good news. It sounds as if he won’t be alone any more.

Russ

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1597 From: jules otis career Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
 

i didnt know mr hoban actually was on this list as well
how nifty
greetings from the southwest
-jules
Russell Hoban wrote:To John Smith–That’s good news. It sounds as if he won’t be alone any more.

Russ

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1598 From: Lil Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
 

I’ve always assumed Russ was Lurker-In-Charge.Lil

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [the-kraken] Richard Van Pham

i didnt know mr hoban actually was on this list as well
how nifty
greetings from the southwest
-jules

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1599 From: Dave Awl Date: 26/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
 

Lil wrote:

>I’ve always assumed Russ was Lurker-In-Charge.

 

Actually, although the invitation to lurk was extended to Russ at the
get-go, he has only recently joined us here on The Kraken — around
the same time he checked out the SA4QE site and the Annotated RW site.

Welcome, Russ — it’ll be fun to see an occasional post from you here…

Dave

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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What the Sea Means: Poems, Stories & Monologues 1987-2002
by Dave Awl
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1600 From: Chris Bell Date: 27/09/2002
Subject: Re: Richard Van Pham
 

Well, I don’t know about the rest of the Krakenites, but I now find
it difficult to read the Richard Van Pham story from the L. A. Times
without imagining some aspects of it blossoming into a Russell Hoban
novel.The thought of those turtles accompanying him as a living larder; the
image of him dousing them with water to keep them cool, knowing that
at some stage he would have to kill and eat them; the loneliness and
uncertainty out there on the ocean (for turtle and man alike); the
irony of the interrogation by the Navy who considered Richard a
possible drug trafficker. What a story!

And isn’t the Internet incredible, mundane, annoying and awe-
inspiring all at the same time?

Well being,
Chris

— In the_____@_____., Dave Awl &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
> Lil wrote:
>
> >I’ve always assumed Russ was Lurker-In-Charge.
>
> Actually, although the invitation to lurk was extended to Russ at
> the get-go, he has only recently joined us here on The Kraken —
> around the same time he checked out the SA4QE site and the
> Annotated RW site.
>
> Welcome, Russ — it’ll be fun to see an occasional post from you
here…
>
> Dave

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1601 From: Olaf Schneider Date: 27/09/2002
Subject: DVD Payment Question
 

Dear Alida,
is it possible to send you the money with http://www.paypal.com/ instead of a letter with a cheque. This would be much more secure and more comfortable I think. Please have a look at this site. It absolutely free to sign up and I could send you the money with my credit card.
When you receive the paypal payment you can:
-Use it to send a payment to someone else
-Use our virtual debit card to shop anywhere online
-Sign up for the PayPal Money Market Reserve Fund to earn a return on your PayPal balance
-Withdraw the money to your bank account !!!!!!!!!!!
-Request a PayPal ATM/Debit Card, and spend the money anywhere the MasterCard or Cirrus logos are displayed, or withdraw the money from an ATMPlease tell me If I can send you the money for the tapes this.
An would you be so kind to tell me the total amount of money for me (Germany, DVD) including shipping
and everything, since I’m not sure If i understood everything correctly.

Since I’m leaving at the end of next week for a two week holiday in spain I like to send you the money as soon as possible.
Best Olaf

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1602 From: Den Finch-Walton Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: RW
 

Hi everyone,
I’m a little sheepish about finally contributing to
the group after discovering you around 12 months ago.
I had meant to contribute to the SA4QE site and the RW
Annotated site but…having felt like a voyeur for so
long…
Anyway I completed an honours thesis about a month
ago, of around 20000 words on RW, & wondered if anyone
might be interested in reading it. As with all writing
plans it ended up totally different than what I had
envisaged & I’m still waiting for the ‘examiners
decision’…blah blah…Title is ‘The Severed Hand and
the Riddle of the Wooden Head: A reading in Two Parts-
Russell Hoban’s Riddley Walker as dissociative farce
or
Giving Head to the Performing Object’The blackened head of Punch on the severed hand that
Riddley pulls out the bog struck me from the first as
a strange and wonderful image that wouldn’t leave me.
The performing object is Punch as well as me and the
writing process. RW is not easy to write about( hey,
as if you guys don’t know this) as I explain in the
paper & Punch was determined to have his say and
perform me…
I had to abort original idea (of collaborating with
Punch) as my supervisor saw this as a bit left of
field and not ‘ scholarly’ enough for the examiners…
yadda yadda, so I attached the unfinished original as
an appendix and then ‘explained’ my possession by
Punch and threw in ‘scholarly’ stuff etc
If anyone is interested I’d be in turn interested in
your comments and have thousands of my own… I’ll
have to put it all together in one document so it’ll
read ok but as the zen saying goes…leap and the net
will appear.
regards,
Den
( and, re your conversations on gender mix-ups
earlier, I’m female) and coming to you from Melbourne
Australia.

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1603 From: sophia witch Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: RW thesis!!!
 

oh Den, I’d LOVE to read it!!! please pleeze *jumps up
an down like lil kid in back row during Esa Show*Sophia

the_____@_____.com wrote:

>

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002
17:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Den Finch-Walton
<rom_____@_____.com>
Subject: RW

Hi everyone,
I’m a little sheepish
about finally contributing to
the group after
discovering you around 12 months ago.
I had meant to contribute
to the SA4QE site and the RW
Annotated site
but…having felt like a voyeur for so
long…
Anyway I completed an
honours thesis about a month
ago, of around 20000
words on RW, & wondered if anyone
might be interested in
reading it. As with all writing
plans it ended up totally
different than what I had
envisaged & I’m still
waiting for the ‘examiners
decision’…blah
blah…Title is ‘The Severed Hand and
the Riddle of the Wooden
Head: A reading in Two Parts-
Russell Hoban’s Riddley
Walker as dissociative farce
or
Giving Head to the
Performing Object’

The blackened head of
Punch on the severed hand that
Riddley pulls out the bog
struck me from the first as
a strange and wonderful
image that wouldn’t leave me.
The performing object is
Punch as well as me and the
writing process. RW is
not easy to write about( hey,
as if you guys don’t know
this) as I explain in the
paper & Punch was
determined to have his say and
perform me…
I had to abort original
idea (of collaborating with
Punch) as my supervisor
saw this as a bit left of
field and not ‘
scholarly’ enough for the examiners…
yadda yadda, so I
attached the unfinished original as
an appendix and then
‘explained’ my possession by
Punch and threw in
‘scholarly’ stuff etc
If anyone is interested
I’d be in turn interested in
your comments and have
thousands of my own… I’ll
have to put it all
together in one document so it’ll
read ok but as the zen
saying goes…leap and the net
will appear.
regards,
Den
( and, re your
conversations on gender mix-ups
earlier, I’m female) and
coming to you from Melbourne
Australia.

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1604 From: Richard Cooper Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: Guardian journalist
 

Hi Alida,Great news about the Guardian journalist and his long article! Would it be
appropriate to take this opportunity and give him the URL of the SA4QE site as
well as your quotes? Obviously depending on the sort of article he’s writing, he
might be able to mention the site or link to it from the online version. I
mention this because I said ages ago that I was going to contact a journalist
myself with exactly this information, but I didn’t do it because I got the
impression from comments from the group that directly contacting a journalist
with a link to the site was a bit of a naff idea. But if you’re already in touch
with him, that would seem a good opportunity to bring the subject up, and it
doesn’t bother me if it comes from someone other than me. Alida, if you do give
him the link please be sure to give him the new one, i.e.
www.thoughtcat.com/sa4qe

Was I right in what I thought about the group’s feelings about this subject or
did I misread things? Russ’s new book comes out in a couple of weeks, which will
generate other such press/online reviews and features, so if journalists are
going to be told about the site to assist in writing/mention in/link to from
those articles, now’s the time to let them know about it, since in a couple of
weeks it’ll be too late. Or would it be better just to give this Guardian guy an
“exclusive” on the link and let others follow? The other option is not to tell
anybody at all about the site and let them find it under their own steam, but it
may be worth bearing in mind that searching under Russ’s name on internet search
engines doesn’t bring up the SA4QE site as it’s very new and hasn’t been
submitted to any search engines yet. Again I will happily do that unless anybody
has any particular objection to it!

Bottoms up,
Richard

—– Original Message —–
From: “Alida Allison” <all_____@_____.edu>
To: <the_____@_____.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [the-kraken] New member

> Dear Tim,
>
> Apologies if you did send–but I don’t have your address for the
> tapes, if you still want them. VHS or DVD?
>
> A guy from the Guardian is calling me Thurs. for some quotes for use
> in a long article he’s writing on Russ. With that, and The Bat Tattoo,
> maybe I can (finally) find a publisher for a book of essays on him….
>
> best, alida
>
>
>
>
>
> At 11:41 AM 8/27/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Dear Alida,
> >If you can find the time! I would love a copy of the lectures although I
> >don’t have a DVD player…
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tim
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1605 From: Alida Allison Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: Re: Guardian journalist
 

Dear Richard,Just a quick answer as I’m off for an appointment soon. Nicholas Wroe,
the interviewer, was extremely well informed about Russ’ work and had
interviewed him twice. Nick knew all about Head of Orpheus and the
SA4QE–said he was quite taken with the amount and kind of work Russ’
devotees had done. I will, however, email him to make sure he knows of the
new link. I gather the article will be on the Guardian’s web site soon; not
the print Guardian, alas, but still… the more info available, the better.

bes’,

alida

At 08:18 PM 9/28/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Alida,
>
>Great news about the Guardian journalist and his long article! Would it be
>appropriate to take this opportunity and give him the URL of the SA4QE site as
>well as your quotes? Obviously depending on the sort of article he’s
>writing, he
>might be able to mention the site or link to it from the online version. I
>mention this because I said ages ago that I was going to contact a journalist
>myself with exactly this information, but I didn’t do it because I got the
>impression from comments from the group that directly contacting a journalist
>with a link to the site was a bit of a naff idea. But if you’re already in
>touch
>with him, that would seem a good opportunity to bring the subject up, and it
>doesn’t bother me if it comes from someone other than me. Alida, if you do
>give
>him the link please be sure to give him the new one, i.e.
>www.thoughtcat.com/sa4qe
>
>Was I right in what I thought about the group’s feelings about this subject or
>did I misread things? Russ’s new book comes out in a couple of weeks,
>which will
>generate other such press/online reviews and features, so if journalists are
>going to be told about the site to assist in writing/mention in/link to from
>those articles, now’s the time to let them know about it, since in a couple of
>weeks it’ll be too late. Or would it be better just to give this Guardian
>guy an
>”exclusive” on the link and let others follow? The other option is not to tell
>anybody at all about the site and let them find it under their own steam,
>but it
>may be worth bearing in mind that searching under Russ’s name on internet
>search
>engines doesn’t bring up the SA4QE site as it’s very new and hasn’t been
>submitted to any search engines yet. Again I will happily do that unless
>anybody
>has any particular objection to it!
>
>Bottoms up,
>Richard
>
>
>
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>
>
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > Apologies if you did send–but I don’t have your address for the
> > tapes, if you still want them. VHS or DVD?
> >
> > A guy from the Guardian is calling me Thurs. for some quotes for use
> > in a long article he’s writing on Russ. With that, and The Bat Tattoo,
> > maybe I can (finally) find a publisher for a book of essays on him….
> >
> > best, alida
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:41 AM 8/27/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Dear Alida,
> > >If you can find the time! I would love a copy of the lectures although I
> > >don’t have a DVD player…
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Group: the-kraken Message: 1606 From: Robert Mathieson Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: (no subject)
 

Thanks to the fellow krakenites who answered me as to my other voyce owl queries and about RH’s Jewish roots. I wanted to make other observations about the Jewish content of Mr Hoban’s works for whatever interest this may inspire. As a practising Jew, it seems to me that what you are will be reflected openly or subliminally in what you project. So here goes. For your general information, Jachin and Boaz were the names of the twin pillars that flanked the entrance to King Solomon’s holy Temple in Jerusalem. There are many other deep and mystical ideas associated with these names which I won’t go into here but I was wondering how far RH was aware of these connections and what exactly it has to do with the story. In Riddley Walker, one of the most striking images for me was that of the Eusa folk, who were kept separate and systematically tortured in the fool’s circle business, for the supposed spiritual information they contain. This for me is a parallel of Jewish persecution in Europe over the years. Indeed, the symbol of the so-called religion of love , is the image of the tortured Jew. Weird if you think about it. The numerically biggest religion in the world prostrates itself to an idolatrous form of a Jew dying in pain, nailed to a tree. You Goyim are really something else. First you nail him up and then kill us for having done it. Do you wonder why we read the Guardian Middle East reports and think to ourselves “go to hell” you dirty hypocrites? Anyway, Riddley, who is Jewish of course, works it out for himself and realises that you have to be your own ardship and yr own black dog and thus breaks out of the fool’s circle. I could go on and have many thoughts on the subject but I’ll leave it there. It would be interesting, in fact I would love to have a nice long chat with Mr H on the subject. One other thing, call me homophobic or an agent of Biblical vengeance but there’s been a bit too much ‘ taking it up the arse’ in some of the later novels eg Harold Klein, Mr Rinyo-Clacton etc. What’s it all about then? I know Goodparley was buggered by Granser’s mates and Pilgermann was cut off in his prime but there it didn’t seem so gratuitous. Please don’t reply with lectures about tolerance and turning the other cheek etc, it would be soooo tiresome. Anyway, all the very best, Rob Mellow[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1607 From: Dave Awl Date: 28/09/2002
Subject: To Robert
 

Robert,Okay, a word from the moderator of this group. First of all: when you
joined The Kraken, please remember that I welcomed you here, in a
spirit of friendship, diversity, and (here’s that word you hate)
tolerance. Although I am both gay and goy (by upbringing), I have a
deep love and respect for Jewish culture and tradition (though I’ll
admit I’m not fond of literally-approached religious dogma of any
denomination).

I am disappointed and saddened that, after being here about five
minutes, you’ve decided the best way to respond to that welcome is by
posting bigoted diatribes against people like me.

You are entitled to your homophobic and religiously intolerant views;
you are even entitled to express those views here on The Kraken. I’m
big on freedom of expression and I will not censor you; I’ve never
bounced anyone from a group I moderate just for saying things I
disagree with, or even doing so in an obnoxious and aggressive manner.

However, I want to be clear about one thing: if at any point you
become personally abusive of any other Kraken members, because
they’re gay or you don’t like their religion or they’re female or any
other thing you might happen to dislike, I will not hesitate to
bounce you — or anyone else who does those things — from the group.

I’m sorry that you find the concept of tolerance so “tiresome,” but
if you tend to get lectures about it, maybe it’s because you seem
like a person who desperately needs to hear them. There is perhaps no
greater and more important challenge facing human beings, at this
point in time, than learning how to live in peace with others who are
different from us. If your first (or second) move on entering a new
community is to begin attacking people who are different from you,
well, maybe you’re carrying your problems with you? But at the least
you should keep in mind that your own free speech is going to be
responded to by the free speech of others. You have your rights, but
we have ours, too. So asking us to spare you lectures that you have
clearly earned and seem to deeply need is probably a waste of
keystrokes.

Previously, on The Kraken, there’s been a wonderful spirit of
friendship, tolerance and mutual respect. I hope — and expect —
that for the most part it will continue, regardless of occasional
outbursts from those in thrall to their prejudices.

Dave

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1608 From: Russell Hoban Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Guardian Profile
 

Nick Wroe has told me that his piece will appear in the
print Guardian on Saturday 12 October. It will be the Profile in
the Saturday Review section. If the date changes I’ll let you
know.Good moderating, Dave. My effective working time is limited,
and if I were to get involved in interpretations and explanations
of my work I’d get no writing done. I’ve sent Bloomsbury an
incomplete (168 pp) first draft of Her Name Was Lola so the
blurb writer could do the catalogue blurb. Now I have a lot
of work ahead of me to finish the final version by the end of
the year.
Russ

 

Group: the-kraken Message: 1609 From: Robert Mathieson Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Re: To Robert
 

I would be interested for you to point out exactly where and how I made any comment that could be construed as being religiously intolerant. Also, my comments about gay love practices were made not to offend so much as to express a distaste and a disappointment in the content of some of RH’s later books. This does indeed reflect my own personal prejudice on the matter and on reflection should not have been expressed in such a way. To make myself clearer and by way of a sort of apology, I would like to say that I do not have a problem with what people do in their private and personal lives. I do though, have a problem with the way in which homosexuality is presented as just one of the equal but different ways people can express their sexuality, that it is as appropriate for a person to choose to become homosexual as it is to become hetero and as such, is presented to the modern youngster as just another choice in life, between equally relevant and acceptable practices. For someone not to be in agreement with that, leaves them open to accusations akin to ‘racist’ and ‘sexist’, as if to have serious reservations about the public expression of homosexuality makes one a bigot in the same way that someone who expresses views against someone because of their skin colour or gender. It is tantamount to a PC type of thought control which I for one will not be a part of. Granted, it is wrong of me to make actual offensive comments against homosexuals and if you feel I have done that, I apologise unreservedly. Furthermore, being subjects that come up in Mr Hoban’s books, these are, I feel, relevant areas for discussion. As a purely intellectual exercise, I wonder how far sexual tolerance does or should go. If in the next fify years, bestiality or necrophilia became widely popular and held by its practitioners to be just another way of expressing yourself sexually, would you, for the sake of being right thinking and politically correct, support these claims and protect the right of people to express themselves in this way, or would you draw a line somewhere. Where would you draw the line? I am not a racist, sexist or fascist but draw the line as I said earlier, at the promotion of homosexuality as an equal type of sexuality. This is where I draw my line for many reasons. Where do you draw yours? It’s a tricky subject and fraught with danger and potential for offence-causing but it’s out of the bag now if you want to take it up. Back to the other acusation, that I’m religiously bigotted, well, aside from the use of the word ‘Goyim’, which you were possibly offended by, I don’t see how anything i wrote could be considered offensive, unless of course you feel in someway responsible for christian anti-semitism yourself. Again, it’s a relevant topic for the RH subject matter . I actually think that it’s an interesting insight into the themes in RW. I admit that some of the comments started to get out of hand but if you were aJew and you read the thinly veiled anti-semitism that passes for British liberal journalism and has done so for as many years as i remember, then you’d maybe feel some bitterness as well. It’s another topic that may or may not be gone into. Anyway, as i said, no real offence intended and if you reread what i wrote you may see that your accusations were a little knee jerk and over sensitive. I’ll try not to touch such raw nerves but where it’s relevant to understanding the books or can shed some light on issues arising from them, let’s not be scared to get stuck in, Yours in conciliatory mood, RM

—– Original Message —–
From: Dave Awl
To: the_____@_____.com
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: [the-kraken] To Robert

Robert,

Okay, a word from the moderator of this group. First of all: when you
joined The Kraken, please remember that I welcomed you here, in a
spirit of friendship, diversity, and (here’s that word you hate)
tolerance. Although I am both gay and goy (by upbringing), I have a
deep love and respect for Jewish culture and tradition (though I’ll
admit I’m not fond of literally-approached religious dogma of any
denomination).

I am disappointed and saddened that, after being here about five
minutes, you’ve decided the best way to respond to that welcome is by
posting bigoted diatribes against people like me.

You are entitled to your homophobic and religiously intolerant views;
you are even entitled to express those views here on The Kraken. I’m
big on freedom of expression and I will not censor you; I’ve never
bounced anyone from a group I moderate just for saying things I
disagree with, or even doing so in an obnoxious and aggressive manner.

However, I want to be clear about one thing: if at any point you
become personally abusive of any other Kraken members, because
they’re gay or you don’t like their religion or they’re female or any
other thing you might happen to dislike, I will not hesitate to
bounce you — or anyone else who does those things — from the group.

I’m sorry that you find the concept of tolerance so “tiresome,” but
if you tend to get lectures about it, maybe it’s because you seem
like a person who desperately needs to hear them. There is perhaps no
greater and more important challenge facing human beings, at this
point in time, than learning how to live in peace with others who are
different from us. If your first (or second) move on entering a new
community is to begin attacking people who are different from you,
well, maybe you’re carrying your problems with you? But at the least
you should keep in mind that your own free speech is going to be
responded to by the free speech of others. You have your rights, but
we have ours, too. So asking us to spare you lectures that you have
clearly earned and seem to deeply need is probably a waste of
keystrokes.

Previously, on The Kraken, there’s been a wonderful spirit of
friendship, tolerance and mutual respect. I hope — and expect —
that for the most part it will continue, regardless of occasional
outbursts from those in thrall to their prejudices.

Dave

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Group: the-kraken Message: 1610 From: sophia witch Date: 29/09/2002
Subject: Re: “Robert Mathieson”
 

I’m so sad. There has never been anything like it
before in this group’s way of living together. We were
so hoal. Now this ranting irrupts into my kraken
universe, a corner of my world where it was fun and
clean to come and have sum posium. I don’t propose to
react directly to this obviously immature, frustrated,
ignorant even, outburst. I think it just shows the
obvious failings of the particular ‘world-view’
adhered to. I would just wish to say that as a lesbian
I am used to being thus insulted, it’s nothing new,
and as a close follower of events I can’t help but
wonder where the difference lies between stealing
people’s land, burning their houses, indiscriminately
bombing them, destroying their culture and
assassinating their best leadership elements, in the
name of some monstruous ideology, whether it be in any
part of the world whatsoever. What legitimacy is there
which makes this excusable, indeed ‘holy’, in
Palestine?There, now go and fill somewhere else with your
ignorance, please, Mr. Mathieson.

S.

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