I thought this upcoming programme might interest some people,
particularly Alida? I wonder if Russ’s children’s books will get a
mention? Maybe some knowledgeable Krakenite would like to suggest
him on this page, which asks for listeners’ thoughts.www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/lebrechtlive/pip/13bqb

Val

–On 22 February 2005 08:54 +0000 burntash2003 <bur_____@_____.com>
wrote:

> www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/lebrechtlive/pip/13bqb

 

Val,
The link appears to be:

www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/lebrechtlive/pip/l3bqw

Best,
Tim

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On Monday, February 21, 2005, at 08:45 PM, halfbaconsandwich wrote:

> You see, Lindsay, I was one who was there, (was actually first to
> arrive at Il Fornello!) but had to leave early and in despair, for
> family reasons, on the morning of the second day – which was possibly
> worse than not being there at all.

 

Here’s hoping the empty space gouged out by having to leave early gets
filled, and quickly.

Lindsay

Dear All,Fingers crossed the photos go through this time.

Pax, alida

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Okay–must be the Kraken site doesn’t accept photos, because I can send
them to myself but they get bounced back from the site. Will figure it out
eventually.Not too discouraged, alida

At 07:59 AM 2/22/2005, you wrote:

 

>Dear All,
>
> Fingers crossed the photos go through this time.
>
>Pax, alida
>
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Alida Allison, Professor
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English and Comparative Literature Dept.
San Diego State University
San Diego, CA 92182-8140
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Spinal Tap

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Alida,Still no dice! Please mail them to ric_____@_____.com (richard at
thoughtcat dot com) and I’ll make sure the pix go on the SA4QE site, which I
am updating now for uploading in the next few days.

Cheers,
Richard

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I have been most taken with Sushi’s noumena and phenomena – even the
miscounted one. I don’t pretend to be able to compete or even to be
in the 17-syllable ballpark, but I do have some three-line musings
of my own.I harbour a deep-seated distaste for PowerPoint presentations – the
kind of frame in which business executives hang their best upmarket
thinking: Usually meaningless pie charts and mispelled bullet lists.
But recently David Byrne (formerly of Talking Heads) has turned
Microsoft PowerPoint into an artform, so I thought I’d have a go at
creating some slides of my own.

You’ll need the PowerPoint application to open this file, which I’ve
uploaded to our files section. Just press Return to move through
the, er, presentation. And feel free to ignore this entirely and
accept my apologies if you consider this to be too far off-topic.

Well being,
Chris

Yo Krakens,A couple of weeks before the Some-Poasyum there was some talk of Nomad Books
putting some spare signed copies of Russ’s new novel to one side for
mail-order purchase by Krakenites who couldn’t attend the convention. I’m
now informed by the manager of the shop, Jane Rainbird, that there are
indeed signed copies in stock and these can be ordered either by phone or
email. The shop’s contact details are:

Nomad Books
781 Fulham Road
London SW6 5HA
Tel. 020 7736 4000
email nom_____@_____.uk (nomadbooks at yahoo dot co dot uk)

Nomad doesn’t have a facility to pay online and sending credit card details
by email is not recommended, so maybe an initial email to order copies and
confirm total cost including p&p, followed by card payment over the phone or
by cheque in the post seems best. When ordering I’d also suggest you
emphasise that you want a SIGNED copy to avoid possible misunderstandings!

Copies can also, of course, be purchased at/picked up from the store if you
happen to live in the area, but again I would recommend ringing up before
making a trip to make sure they have copies left and can put them aside for
you.

Richard

PS Sorry if this comes through to the Kraken a couple of times – email
server trubba here tonite.

Since people are in that mood:Our Russell Hoban,
Author of adult novels
And children’s books, too

This is quite a review:http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue409/excess.html

I, too, enjoyed Chris’s Haiku ppt (thanks Chris), and felt inspired to make some attempts.The waking Kraken
Blinking, reaches and enfolds
Littl shyning man

Shivering snow drops
Gather to honour the man
At the hart of the wud

😉

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Omnibus–so late!
We waited and we wondered.
So what else is new?Kasha

Yo everybody

Richard is compiling a list of who can collect the book personally and who will need
it sent. Those who have sent in postage will have it refunded. Postage will not have
to be paid by anyone. We’ll get the copies out as soon as possible.

I know–promises, promises.

Russ

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— In the_____@_____.com, “Russell Hoban” &lt_____@_____.>
wrote:

> Omnibus–so late!
> We waited and we wondered.
> So what else is new?
>
> Kasha
>

 

Every thing is old
under this deep, crisp, even,
except the snowflake.

Snoshu

Emmae.

> Yo everybody
>
> Richard is compiling a list of who can collect the book personally

and who will need

> it sent. Those who have sent in postage will have it refunded.

Postage will not have

> to be paid by anyone. We’ll get the copies out as soon as possible.
>
> I know–promises, promises.
>
> Russ
>
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Found on Yahoo news …

> Reptile draws scared hippo out of his shell
> By Robyn Dixon Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
>
> For a panic-stricken baby hippo, lost and far from home, the sight of
> a wrinkly, rotund old male tortoise must have suggested something
> different: Are you my mother?
>
> Owen the hippo sought refuge behind the tortoise one day just after
> Christmas, and weeks later here they are together, safe and warm on a
> lazy afternoon. Owen looks like a character in a children’s book, his
> eyes closed as he snuggles in a mud puddle near a reptile 130 years
> his senior. He pricks up his Shrek-like ears at the slightest sound,
> opens his eyes and then dozes off again.
>
> In the wild, hippos are sociable creatures who live in close-knit
> groups. But this bonding of mammal and reptile has surprised the
> experts.
>
> The details of Owen’s adventure are not entirely clear, but it seems
> to have begun when a group of hippos were swept from the river where
> they lived and into the sea, perhaps because of heavy December rains.
>
> The hippos are thought to have made their way back home despite heavy
> seas caused by the earthquake and tsunami that hit the opposite side
> of the Indian Ocean on Dec. 26. But Owen somehow got separated.
>
> Alone, he spent several days wallowing helplessly in the salt water
> before the Kenya Wildlife Service and local fishermen wrapped him in a
> fishing net, tied him up and put him in a truck to be taken away.
>
> When he was set loose in Haller Park outside Mombasa in an enclosure
> with two giant tortoises and some bushbucks, he bolted to the tortoise
> named Mzee, or Old Man, and hid.
>
> “When he arrived, he was completely exhausted and stressed. He got up
> and started staggering around a bit and then he went straight for the
> tortoise. We never expected something like this,” said Sabine Baer,
> rehabilitation and ecosystems manager at Lafarge Eco Systems, which
> runs the wildlife park. “After all that being chased around by humans
> and all the noise and hassle, he must have been looking for
> protection.
>
> “A mammal with a mammal, yes it happens. But reptiles and mammals, we
> haven’t seen this,” she said. “We were all quite amazed to see how
> fast it happened.”
>
> Separated not long after birth
>
> Owen, thought to be about a year old, was partly weaned and living on
> milk and grass when he was separated from his mother. In the wild,
> hippo calves stay with their mothers until about 18 months of age, or
> until the next calf is born. Then they join a group of older calves.
>
> Hippos often lie around in groups and rest their heads on one another.
>
> Owen likes to rest his head on the giant tortoise. He licks Mzee and
> puts his mouth gently around the tortoise’s head in what Baer said
> looks like a form of play. He spends most of the day with the
> tortoise.
>
> “He walks behind the tortoise. He goes to sleep next to the
> tortoise,” Baer said. “When he wants to go into the water, he nudges
> the tortoise and licks it as if to say, `Come on, let’s go into the
> water,’ walks off a little bit and then looks around and comes back to
> see if the tortoise understands.
>
> “And when you go too close to the tortoise, he chases you away and
> defends it as his mother.”
>
> At 265 pounds, Owen is capable of inflicting significant damage. But
> he can’t go back to a group of wild hippos. The males are very
> territorial and would kill him, Baer said.
>
> He almost certainly would have died, too–from dehydration, exposure
> and hunger–had he remained in the sea, said Dr. Zahoor Kashmiri, a
> Kenyan wildlife veterinarian who attended the calf after his capture.
> “Hippos are freshwater animals and their whole physiology is adapted
> to freshwater,” he said.
>
>   `Now he’s nice and round’
>
> As it was, the staff worried about Owen when he got to Haller, a
> converted quarry. He refused to eat for the first two days.
>
> “He was quite thin when he came. He was this dull dark color,” Baer
> said.
>
> But the connection to Mzee the tortoise helped him adjust. Watching
> the two tortoises eat, the calf realized that the strange, dry brown
> stuff they ate was edible, even if it was different from what he was
> used to.
>
> “Now he’s nice and round. You can see the change in color. He’s more
> of a brown-pink color, you know, hippo color,” Baer said.
>
> While Owen is clearly attached to the tortoise, it’s more difficult
> to tell how much of the affection is reciprocated. Still, Mzee at
> least tolerates the hippo and does seek out attention from people.
>
> Not only does Mzee, one of an Indian Ocean breed that can live as
> long as 200 years and is related to Galapagos Island tortoises, cuddle
> next to the warm-blooded hippo calf, but when Mzee sees Baer enter the
> enclosure, he strides up rapidly. Like a contented canine, he nudges
> her legs, waits for her to scratch the cool, wrinkly hide of his neck
> and pick off any ticks.
>
> But the time comes for all young hippos to leave their mothers–real
> or imagined.
>
> Park staff are planning to separate Owen from Mzee. At some point,
> they will move him in with a lonely 12-year-old female named Cleo and
> hope that the two will breed.
>
> Owen probably will have to be lured into a crate and hoisted by crane
> into his new enclosure. At first, Mzee and the other tortoise will be
> moved with him, but the hope is that soon he’ll forget his maternal
> figure.
>
> “Then we hope that he will focus on Cleo,” Baer said.

Blimey! Before you’re one year old you get separated from your family by a
terrible natural disaster, only to be rescued and, in a state of trauma,
adopt a father of a different species 130 years your senior. Just when
you’re getting the hang of all this you get moved into a pen with a lonely
older woman. Could give a kid a complex.Richard

> —–Original Message—–
> From: Dave Awl [mailto:day_____@_____.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:24 AM
> To: the_____@_____.com
> Subject: [the-kraken] Turtle (& Hippo) Diary
>
>
> Found on Yahoo news …
>
> > Reptile draws scared hippo out of his shell
> > By Robyn Dixon Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times

A few days ago I had an email from a lady called Sharada Bhanu attaching a
10-page academic paper she’d written on shamanism in The Mouse and His
Child, and looking at Russ’s classic book from an Advaitic angle. Sharada
asked me to consider publishing the paper on the Some-Poasyum website along
with the other articles that were received too late to go into the
Celebratory Booklet. I felt somewhat humbled but was only too happy to do so
– the article is called “Shamanism and the ISness of TO BE” and is linked
about half way down the Booklet page at www.hoban2005.co.ukIn her original email to me, Sharada wrote the following which I’m posting
here with her permission as it puts her work in context: “I teach English
Literature at Chennai, India and I am at present trying to complete my
research on Fantasy fiction for children which I connect with the Indian
philosophical system of Advaita. I am working on The Mouse and his Child and
I saw your offer to publish articles only yesterday. Research in India is
difficult because most of the work on Hoban and even the primary texts
themselves are hard to access. It’s fun, too in a way because one can make
the discoveries in peace without feeling it’s all been said before. But of
course, it’s hard to know if it’s of any value. Apart from this I have
written several articles and book reviews, a few stories for children and a
novel which was serialised in the children’s magazine Chatterbox. I enjoyed
reading the articles you have on the website. The Hoban event sounds like it
was great fun and an emotive time.”

I hope you’ll enjoy this fascinating article. It may not be the first time
someone has linked Russ’s work to shamanism and Eliade (Yvonne has written
about the connection in “Ideas, Obsessions, Intertexts”, and of course Russ
himself has referred to both on a few occasions) but I don’t think the
Advaitic angle has been “done” before, at least not by a Hoban fan or
scholar living and working in India. I’m hoping Sharada will join The Kraken
(I think she’s a little shy – maybe we can encourage her!) but until she
does there is an email address to contact her at the bottom of her essay.

Richard

Ho!To be precise (!), someone at some point during the weekend remarked
that he did not understand why Russ had described a route from Fulham
Broadway tube station as going up (or maybe down) when it actually
goes down (or maybe up). Or rather why Russ had, as he thought,
changed the factual detail.

As a result of what Russ has since said to me in passing, I wonder
whether the answer is in fact in the entrance to the station having
moved, in which case the description may have pre-dated that change.
(Such problems will be familiar to anyone who, as I do, tries to get
back, for a well-earned pint. to the rural pub from which he or she
started, only to find that a footpath has been diverted since the
book was published.)

May up sometimes be down!

Anthony

Yo!Where is this description?

Russ

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To: <the_____@_____.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: [the-kraken] A probable answer to a co-conventioneer’s puzzle(ment)

>
>
> Ho!
>
> To be precise (!), someone at some point during the weekend remarked
> that he did not understand why Russ had described a route from Fulham
> Broadway tube station as going up (or maybe down) when it actually
> goes down (or maybe up). Or rather why Russ had, as he thought,
> changed the factual detail.
>
> As a result of what Russ has since said to me in passing, I wonder
> whether the answer is in fact in the entrance to the station having
> moved, in which case the description may have pre-dated that change.
> (Such problems will be familiar to anyone who, as I do, tries to get
> back, for a well-earned pint. to the rural pub from which he or she
> started, only to find that a footpath has been diverted since the
> book was published.)
>
>
> May up sometimes be down!
>
>
>
> Anthony
>
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— In the_____@_____.com, Anthony Davis wrote:

> To be precise (!), someone at some point during the weekend
> remarked that he did not understand why Russ had described a route
> from Fulham Broadway tube station as going up (or maybe down) when
> it actually goes down (or maybe up). Or rather why Russ had, as he
> thought, changed the factual detail.

 

It wouldn’t have been one of the hungover co-conventioneers, by any
chance? One of those who frequently asked, “Are we nearly there yet?”

CB

This is probably more of a question for the Guardian’s Notes & Queries, but
is there actually an official upness and downness of a street? Instinctively
I would say that if I turned right out of Fulham Broadway station and walked
towards St John’s Church I would say I’m going up the street, so I guess
going back again I would be walking down it. Maybe this is because I feel
I’m walking more towards the “action” in turning right out of the station
into the centre of the high street, whereas all that’s happening the other
direction is Chelsea FC ;-)Fulham Broadway station certainly has changed in recent years but it doesn’t
explain the uppage and downositude of the street, as the entrance is still
on the same side of the street.

As Chris infers, the Saturday morning of the convention saw many of us a tad
blurry, so I would forgive anyone for not knowing their up from their down
that day.

Neither up nor down,
Richard

It’s taken me a while to document my contribution to this year’s SA4QE. This
year, because of all the extra work involved in organising and attending the
Some Poasyum (I travelled out of a New Zealand summer into a UK winter to be
there) – and the fact that I was away from my laptop computer – I decided on
a single, short quote that could be handwritten, three times, on sheets of
yellow paper I had bought at my Mum’s local craft shop. I’d taken my
Bloomsbury paperback of Mr Rinyo-Clacton’s Offer to the UK as my ‘carrying
book’, and had re-read most of it on the Singapore-Heathrow leg of the
flight. It seemed to me that the epigraph: “Things don’t end; they just
accumulate.” Jonathan Fitch, was particularly well suited to this year’s
SA4QE and all the excitement and anticipation surrounding the 2005 Some
Poasyum.By 4 February, I had decided on three suitable locations for distribution of
my quote. I recorded these in the blue exercise book I was using for the
notes I was accumulating for a short story I’d been working on:

1. The Tesco supermarket in Hanley, Staffordshire, between the
Glenfiddich bottles on the liquor aisle.
2. At the White Lion, a wonderful English pub in the village of Ash,
Shropshire (it serves excellent food, if you’re ever in the area).
3. At Lockbrook Place, in Bath, under a cup in the living room of a
friend’s house (she found the quote almost immediately, so the element of
surprise was minimal).

The rewards of 4Qating grow year by year, and although I never know whether
any of the quotations I have distributed have led anyone to read a Russell
Hoban book, let alone convert them to life as a Krakenista, I must admit to
experiencing a growing sense of superstition about the act; it makes me feel
lucky. Not to spread the quotes would make me feel star-crossed.

Chris

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Wo!
I have been thinking about these ups and downs of yours, Anthony.
Sometimes what you think will take you up ends up taking taking you down.
Pints at rural pubs, for instance. Keep going up, some say. But take many
down too. Upstarts may find themselves downtrodden and upended. Just one
turnaround and up gets down.
Are you sure said route went up or down, not up and down?
LG
(With apologies for any vertigo induced)

> >
> > Ho!
> >
> > To be precise (!), someone at some point during the weekend remarked
> > that he did not understand why Russ had described a route from Fulham
> > Broadway tube station as going up (or maybe down) when it actually
> > goes down (or maybe up). Or rather why Russ had, as he thought,
> > changed the factual detail.
> >
> > As a result of what Russ has since said to me in passing, I wonder
> > whether the answer is in fact in the entrance to the station having
> > moved, in which case the description may have pre-dated that change.
> > (Such problems will be familiar to anyone who, as I do, tries to get
> > back, for a well-earned pint. to the rural pub from which he or she
> > started, only to find that a footpath has been diverted since the
> > book was published.)
> >
> >
> > May up sometimes be down!
> >
> >

if i remember correctly Ant. i butted into the original conversation
wtith the info that my mum always says she is going “up” to a place
regardless of it’s geographical position. presumably she would go up
to the south pole! michael crossbow (very apt as i am usually cross
and i suffer from b.o.)

As far as I know there is no up or down in Space, except from the
p.o.v. of Earthlings.
Both Stephen Hawking and the Grand Old Duke of York agree on this, so
it must be true for all models of the Universe, including Fulham
Broadway.EammE

— In the_____@_____.com, “malcolm crosby”
&lt_____@_____.> wrote:

>
> if i remember correctly Ant. i butted into the original

conversation

> wtith the info that my mum always says she is going “up” to a place
> regardless of it’s geographical position. presumably she would go

up

> to the south pole! michael crossbow (very apt as i am usually cross
> and i suffer from b.o.)

–On 01 March 2005 11:17 +0000 halfbaconsandwich <emm_____@_____.com>
wrote:

> Both Stephen Hawking and the Grand Old Duke of York agree on this

 

As evidenced by the GOD of Y running half-way down the Fulham Broadway up
escalator at a speed which took him nowhere very fast!

Tim

————————————————————
Tim Haillay email: t.h_____@_____.uk
Cataloguing Supervisor tel: 01273 873500
University of Sussex Library
Falmer
Brighton
BN1 9QL

So!
THAT’S what y’awl got UP to on Saturday morning!
If that’s the case you should still be there and I can come and catch
up with you.
Em.

— In the_____@_____.com, Tim Haillay &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
> –On 01 March 2005 11:17 +0000 halfbaconsandwich &lt_____@_____.>
> wrote:
>
> > Both Stephen Hawking and the Grand Old Duke of York agree on this
>
> As evidenced by the GOD of Y running half-way down the Fulham
Broadway up
> escalator at a speed which took him nowhere very fast!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> ————————————————————
> Tim Haillay email: t.haillay@s…
> Cataloguing Supervisor tel: 01273 873500
> University of Sussex Library
> Falmer
> Brighton
> BN1 9QL

In a place as contorted as Fulham Broadway there can
surely be little up, down, north, south, from or
towards…Alastair

— Richard Cooper <ric_____@_____.com> wrote:

———————————
This is probably more of a question for the Guardian’s
Notes & Queries, but
is there actually an official upness and downness of a
street? Instinctively
I would say that if I turned right out of Fulham
Broadway station and walked
towards St John’s Church I would say I’m going up the
street, so I guess
going back again I would be walking down it. Maybe
this is because I feel
I’m walking more towards the “action” in turning right
out of the station
into the centre of the high street, whereas all that’s
happening the other
direction is Chelsea FC 😉

Fulham Broadway station certainly has changed in
recent years but it doesn’t
explain the uppage and downositude of the street, as
the entrance is still
on the same side of the street.

As Chris infers, the Saturday morning of the
convention saw many of us a tad
blurry, so I would forgive anyone for not knowing
their up from their down
that day.

Neither up nor down,
Richard

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Years ago there was a sign on one platform at our local station for
UP trains, and on the other for DOWN trains. It was explained to me
that UP trains went UP to London, called UP because it was the
capital, and all other destinations were DOWN.But when they were changing the guard at Buckingham Palace,
Christopher Robin went DOWN with Alice. Of course what goes UP must
come DOWN, but don’t let it get you DOWN, because you can only go UP
from there. Don’t take UPPERS or DOWNERS or you won’t know whether
you’re coming or going.

Val

— In the_____@_____.com, alastair bickley
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> In a place as contorted as Fulham Broadway there can
> surely be little up, down, north, south, from or
> towards…
>
> Alastair
>
> — Richard Cooper &lt_____@_____.> wrote:
>
> ———————————
> This is probably more of a question for the Guardian’s
> Notes & Queries, but
> is there actually an official upness and downness of a
> street? Instinctively
> I would say that if I turned right out of Fulham
> Broadway station and walked
> towards St John’s Church I would say I’m going up the
> street, so I guess
> going back again I would be walking down it. Maybe
> this is because I feel
> I’m walking more towards the “action” in turning right
> out of the station
> into the centre of the high street, whereas all that’s
> happening the other
> direction is Chelsea FC 😉
>
> Fulham Broadway station certainly has changed in
> recent years but it doesn’t
> explain the uppage and downositude of the street, as
> the entrance is still
> on the same side of the street.
>
> As Chris infers, the Saturday morning of the
> convention saw many of us a tad
> blurry, so I would forgive anyone for not knowing
> their up from their down
> that day.
>
> Neither up nor down,
> Richard
>
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> But when they were changing the guard at Buckingham Palace,
> Christopher Robin went DOWN with Alice

 

Steady on Val!

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On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 01:38 AM, Chris Bell wrote:

> I must admit to
> experiencing a growing sense of superstition about the act; it makes
> me feel
> lucky. Not to spread the quotes would make me feel star-crossed.
>
>
>

I have this feeling, too.

Lindsay

halfbaconsandwich <emm_____@_____.com> wrote:
I can only imagine that Hawking and the GODOY must be wrong on this point; there is/was/has always-and-forever been and up and a down of every road. Many, indeed, are roads which we can take ‘in’ or ‘out’ as well. If we find ourselves coming back up the road we went in on, then we have only ourselves to blame …sclouwh

As far as I know there is no up or down in Space, except from the
p.o.v. of Earthlings.
Both Stephen Hawking and the Grand Old Duke of York agree on this, so
it must be true for all models of the Universe, including Fulham
Broadway.

EammE

— In the_____@_____.com, “malcolm crosby”
&lt_____@_____.> wrote:

>
> if i remember correctly Ant. i butted into the original

conversation

> wtith the info that my mum always says she is going “up” to a place
> regardless of it’s geographical position. presumably she would go

up

> to the south pole! michael crossbow (very apt as i am usually cross
> and i suffer from b.o.)

 

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just had to laugh to myself. imagine Russ signing in tonight for
some feedback on the new book, reviews,comments etc. and instead
coming across a load of bovine scatology concerning whether in is
out or how far you can get up a down escalator.He’ll think the terms
of reference have changed and that the Kraken is now a freeform
directional semantics discussion group. poor ol’ chris bell tried to
get us all back on topic with his sa4qe account but it was straight
back to alien perspectives and Steven Hawking and the grand old duke
of york. btw after Tim’s last post i will refer to him (the duke )
as the GOD OF WHY? from now on, especially apt as his men would have
been crying out “for Gods sake, WHY ?”. Congrats to Anthony for
starting the longest/nuttiest/least bothered about relevancy thread
of 2005 thus far. peace, michelle corby.

“For ‘IS’ and ‘IS-NOT’ though with Rule and Line
And ‘UP-AND-DOWN’ by Logic I define,
Of all that one should care to fathom, I
Was never deep in anything but wine.”[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

–On 01 March 2005 14:09 +0000 burntash2003 wrote:

> But when they were changing the guard at Buckingham Palace,
> Christopher Robin went DOWN with Alice

 

If so, why didn’t we get to watch it widescreen at the Troubador?

And let it not be said that I merely change the subject when I could
be lowering the tone.

Christopher

At 04:07 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote:

>”For ‘IS’ and ‘IS-NOT’ though with Rule and Line
>And ‘UP-AND-DOWN’ by Logic I define,
> Of all that one should care to fathom, I
>Was never deep in anything but wine.”
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

Why, be this Juice the growth of God, who dare
Blaspheme the twisted tendril as a Snare?
A Blessing, we should use it, should we not?
And if a Curse–why, then, Who set it here?

-= Fred =-

Slow days passing, accumulating,
How distant they are,
The things of the past!
– Buson –

On a different slant, it seems to me the Kraken is discussing the laws of thermodynamics. Yes really! Not the limited mathematical models derived from the laws for the purposes of analysing heat transfer processes, but the philosophy at the heart of the laws – “the total quantity of energy in the universe is constant”, “the quality of this energy is degraded irreversibly”, etc.Every gain in upness requires energy and perhaps that’s at the heart of upness – you have to make an effort to get there. This idea could possibly be extended to feelings of upness as well – energy is required to get there and to stay there, resisting the inevitable tendancy of nature to decay and to increase the entropy (disorder) of the universe.

To maintain equilibrium (oh where would physicists be without the rock of equilibrium to hang on to!) the energy used to gain upness must be balanced out: for every up there must be a down, for every in an out, for every high a low, for every to a from etc etc. Reminds me of the Addom, perpetually in a state of equilibrium but with opposing things going on at the same time.

OK, that’s quite enough of that.

Steve

malcolm crosby <mal_____@_____.com> wrote:

just had to laugh to myself. imagine Russ signing in tonight for
some feedback on the new book, reviews,comments etc. and instead
coming across a load of bovine scatology concerning whether in is
out or how far you can get up a down escalator.He’ll think the terms
of reference have changed and that the Kraken is now a freeform
directional semantics discussion group. poor ol’ chris bell tried to
get us all back on topic with his sa4qe account but it was straight
back to alien perspectives and Steven Hawking and the grand old duke
of york. btw after Tim’s last post i will refer to him (the duke )
as the GOD OF WHY? from now on, especially apt as his men would have
been crying out “for Gods sake, WHY ?”. Congrats to Anthony for
starting the longest/nuttiest/least bothered about relevancy thread
of 2005 thus far. peace, michelle corby.

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–On 02 March 2005 10:15 +0000 Steve Long <ste_____@_____.uk> wrote:

> Every gain in upness requires energy and perhaps that’s at the heart of
> upness – you have to make an effort to get there. This idea could
> possibly be extended to feelings of upness as well – energy is required
> to get there and to stay there

 

I am reminded of Kurt Vonnegut’s wonderful reasoning behind the erection of
Stonehenge…. ie. that it was carried out during a period of “light
gravity” I forget which book it was?

Tim

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you’re right tim, it was in slapstick, cheers martina crossbeam

I see we’ve passed 200 members. Cause for celebration! And perhaps a
special prize for the 200th.peter

Or as that great nuclear-physicist of broken hearts Tom Waits once said,Well I’ve lost my equilibrium and my car keys and my pride,
But the tattoo parlour’s warm, so I hustle there inside.
And the grinding of the buzz-saw, “What you want that thing to say?”
I says, “Just don’t misspell her name, buddy, she’s the one that got away…”

Richard

Quoting Steve Long <ste_____@_____.uk>:

> To maintain equilibrium (oh where would physicists be without the rock of
> equilibrium to hang on to!)

 

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For the record, I’d like it to be known that I’ve been using ‘The
Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam’ in the project I’ve been working on for
nearly two years now.* No big deal, it may never see the light of
day. Just another coincidence but I felt I should mention it now to
avoid possible accusations of plagiarism in the future. One lives in
hope and fear.Emmae.

— In the_____@_____.com, Fred Runk &lt_____@_____.> wrote:

> At 04:07 PM 3/1/2005, Russ wrote:
>
> >”For ‘IS’ and ‘IS-NOT’ though with Rule and Line
> >And ‘UP-AND-DOWN’ by Logic I define,
> > Of all that one should care to fathom, I
> >Was never deep in anything but wine.”
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> Why, be this Juice the growth of God, who dare
> Blaspheme the twisted tendril as a Snare?
> A Blessing, we should use it, should we not?
> And if a Curse–why, then, Who set it here?
>
>
>
>
> -= Fred =-

*p.s. To those who haven’t yet read ‘Come Dance With Me’ this
coincidence will mean even less.

Dear Emmae,I share your hope and fear, and I think Russ may perhaps agree that
synchronicity can get you where it hurts most.

As an example of this, New Zealand’s nominated film in the Short
Film (Live Action) section of this year’s Academy Awards, Taika
Waititi’s `Two Cars, One Night’, tells of the friendship and romance
that forms between two boys and a girl waiting for their parents in
the car park outside a pub. Meanwhile, the winning film, `Wasp’, by
British director Andrea Arnold, is about a single mum who is asked
out on a date, but who lies about having kids and leaves them
outside the pub.

The Universal Mind puts the idea pheromones out there. Who receives
the pheromones and how is another matter entirely.

I speak as a very average field of limited attention,
Chris

 

— In the_____@_____.com, Emmae wrote:
>
> For the record, I’d like it to be known that I’ve been using ‘The
> Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam’ in the project I’ve been working on for
> nearly two years now.* No big deal, it may never see the light of
> day. Just another coincidence but I felt I should mention it now
> to avoid possible accusations of plagiarism in the future. One
> lives in hope and fear.
>
> Emmae.

continuing this theme of the co-inkidinks’s or shared themes of
good/favourite works of art has brought to light another timely
synchronicity.Tim posted earlier about his fondness for Kurt
Vonneguts’ conceit of an era of ‘light gravity’. i posted a reply
stating that it was in mr. V’s book ‘Slapstick’-which i love.the
main protagonists are brother and sister Wilbur and Eliza Swain. now
get this, Wilbur and Eliza are ugly misshapen and helpless creatures
until they get together – i quote ‘then she touched me. We became a
single genius again’ and ‘ I could no longer tell where I stopped
and Eliza began, or where Eliza and I stopped and the universe
began. It was gorgeous and it was horrible. Yes, and let this be a
measure of the quantity of energy involved:The orgy went on for five
whole days and nights.’obviously you can compare and contrast this
with Lissener from Riddley-“Do you all set down and pul datter or
dyou jus think to gether or what?’ He said,’We do some poasyum.’ I
said ‘What’s poasyum?’He said,’It aint jus poasyum you all ways say
SOME poasyum.You ever seen a nes of snakes?’ I said ‘Yes.’He said ‘I
never but 1 of the hevvys tol me they do the same theywl get all in
a tangl slyding and sqwirming and ryving to gether. Which is how we
do it all the many rubbing up to 1 a nother skin to skin and talking
transit theary.Whych is a kind of hy telling and trantsing.” Just as
Wilbur and Eliza are no great shakes mentally when apart, Lissener
says “I cant make the shape of holding oansome” and the subtitle of
Slapstick is-ta-ra-‘Lonesome no more’! Just as coincidentally Wilbur
and Eliza are brought up in a new england coastal town called Turtle
Bay! Wheels within wheels. P.S. if we’re gonna quote Tom Waits he
has written many great lines but my favourite is ‘don’t you know
there ain’t no devil, there’s just God when he’s drunk’-peace and
goodnight, Maelstrom Crosstown-traffic (that’s the last one, i
promise). 

— In the_____@_____.com, “kleinzeitnz” <chrisb@x> wrote:
>
> Dear Emmae,
>
> I share your hope and fear, and I think Russ may perhaps agree
that
> synchronicity can get you where it hurts most.
>
> As an example of this, New Zealand’s nominated film in the Short
> Film (Live Action) section of this year’s Academy Awards, Taika
> Waititi’s `Two Cars, One Night’, tells of the friendship and
romance
> that forms between two boys and a girl waiting for their parents
in
> the car park outside a pub. Meanwhile, the winning film, `Wasp’,
by
> British director Andrea Arnold, is about a single mum who is asked
> out on a date, but who lies about having kids and leaves them
> outside the pub.
>
> The Universal Mind puts the idea pheromones out there. Who
receives
> the pheromones and how is another matter entirely.
>
> I speak as a very average field of limited attention,
> Chris
>
>
> — In the_____@_____.com, Emmae wrote:
> >
> > For the record, I’d like it to be known that I’ve been
using ‘The
> > Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam’ in the project I’ve been working on
for
> > nearly two years now.* No big deal, it may never see the light
of
> > day. Just another coincidence but I felt I should mention it now
> > to avoid possible accusations of plagiarism in the future. One
> > lives in hope and fear.
> >
> > Emmae.

Dear Chris,Thankyou for your kind and probably above average Attention Ltd.

Emmae.

 

— In the_____@_____.com, “kleinzeitnz” <chrisb@x> wrote:
>
> Dear Emmae,
>
> I share your hope and fear, and I think Russ may perhaps agree that
> synchronicity can get you where it hurts most.
>
> As an example of this, New Zealand’s nominated film in the Short
> Film (Live Action) section of this year’s Academy Awards, Taika
> Waititi’s `Two Cars, One Night’, tells of the friendship and
romance
> that forms between two boys and a girl waiting for their parents in
> the car park outside a pub. Meanwhile, the winning film, `Wasp’, by
> British director Andrea Arnold, is about a single mum who is asked
> out on a date, but who lies about having kids and leaves them
> outside the pub.
>
> The Universal Mind puts the idea pheromones out there. Who receives
> the pheromones and how is another matter entirely.
>
> I speak as a very average field of limited attention,
> Chris
>
>
> — In the_____@_____.com, Emmae wrote:
> >
> > For the record, I’d like it to be known that I’ve been using ‘The
> > Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam’ in the project I’ve been working on for
> > nearly two years now.* No big deal, it may never see the light
of
> > day. Just another coincidence but I felt I should mention it now
> > to avoid possible accusations of plagiarism in the future. One
> > lives in hope and fear.
> >
> > Emmae.

Chris wrote:

> I
> must admit to
> experiencing a growing sense of superstition about the act;
> it makes me feel
> lucky. Not to spread the quotes would make me feel star-crossed.

 

I also feel this way. Because of my other Some-Poasyage this year I didn’t
achieve as satisfactory a 4Qation as on previous 4th of Februaries, but I
knew I had to do it, so I performed an emergency 4Qation in my office and
again in a free newspaper stand outside with quotes from The Medusa
Frequency. Of course even those droppages felt pretty good – as Woody Allen
might have said, “My worst 4Qation was right on the money.” I will be
posting full details on the SA4QE site when I next get a minute. Everybody
else’s 4Qations will also be updated at the same time. Hang on in there,
folks!

Richard
www.thoughtcat.com/sa4qe

“So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung,
So light to the saddle before her he sprung!”I don’t like to burden anyone else with this, but after all these years I find myself wondering how
he got his leg over without knocking the lady off the croupe.

I hope no one will offer Vorsprung durch technik.

R

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Yo Krakenites,This isn’t strictly Kraken business but a few of you kindly asked for news
of the baby Cooper which was impending at the time of the Some-Poasyum. He
was born this morning at 7.11 GMT, weighed 7lb 8oz or 3.14kg, and was I
think 49cm in length. The delivery seemed to us a bit long and drawn out,
although probably not as much as in some cases, but both he and Koy (mum)
are doing fine. We haven’t decided on an official name yet but, being
half-Thai, he will have a Thai nickname. These are often quite candid,
poetic or seemingly odd (to us) words, translating literally as things like
Mouse, Cow, Moon, Fat and Red (Koy in fact means “little finger”). In
mini-Cooper’s case I feel fairly sure, with his Kraken connections, that he
will be known as “Mukg” (it’s difficult to transliterate phonetically, but
pronounced like “muck” with the “k” sound unreleased), which translates as
Squid.

Love Richard

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Koy, Richard, Little Squid … congratulations, and we hope all goes
swimmingly!Yrs
Linda and Roland

On Friday, March 4, 2005, at 01:46 PM, Richard Cooper wrote:

>
> Yo Krakenites,
>
> This isn’t strictly Kraken business but a few of you kindly asked for
> news
> of the baby Cooper which was impending at the time of the
> Some-Poasyum. He
> was born this morning at 7.11 GMT, weighed 7lb 8oz or 3.14kg, and was I
> think 49cm in length.

 

Today is a happy day. Love from across the ocean to you, Koy, and your
little one.

Lindsay